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 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   cbellamy   (Member)

An amazing score...

"Jarre's score is at times brash and comical, and sometimes ethereal and deeply moving"

I would love to see an expanded and remastered version of this soundtrack released.

Would make great timing as well considering its 50th Anniversary

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Tapes are lost. Sorry.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I also recall James Fitzpatrick stating (please correct me if I’m wrong) that the written score parts are also lost, so a re-recording would also sadly be out of the question.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Tapes are lost. Sorry.

A reissue of the original album would be great, as Intrada recently did with The Collector.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

The Overture

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Tapes are lost. Sorry.

A reissue of the original album would be great, as Intrada recently did with The Collector.



The original lp was a good representation of the score. Just needs the Quartet or Kritzerland touch and we'd have a great release.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Were 2001 and "North by Northwest" the last MGM releases? It seems like an eternity...

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I've never been that fussed about this score (or film for that matter), and I'm saying that as a big Jarre fan. I have an early 90s Sony release (the one with the curious booklet notes) which sounds horrendous, so maybe a better sounding issue may help me appreciate it more.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

I've never been that fussed about this score (or film for that matter), and I'm saying that as a big Jarre fan. I have an early 90s Sony release (the one with the curious booklet notes) which sounds horrendous, so maybe a better sounding issue may help me appreciate it more.


While I sort of agree with your statements I did see Ryan's Daughter a few times during its Roadshow run in NYC back in the day. The sound was tremendous as one would expect in a 70mm presentation. I'm sure with a little(maybe a lot) of tlc the score could sound a lot better than the release you reference.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

I would have loved to have seen this on the big screen to really appreciate the grandeur of the cinematography it. I recently watched this again after many years and I must confess I did really enjoy it, especially compared to what is produced these days!

As for the score, a remaster of the LP on CD would be great.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

I've never been that fussed about this score (or film for that matter), and I'm saying that as a big Jarre fan. I have an early 90s Sony release (the one with the curious booklet notes) which sounds horrendous, so maybe a better sounding issue may help me appreciate it more.


Haha, yes, Bruce Eder's notes. "Nowhere was R'sD more disappointing than in its score" - I remember that!...
(What a refreshing change from the usual shower of praise we get with every release! big grin )

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

Many years ago, I attended a screening of Ryan's Daughter at the Motion Picture Academy when it was shown in 70mm and with the soundtrack run separately through another machine. Both the picture and sound were tremendous, as good as could be.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

And it was originally a roadshow, with overture/intermission/entr’acte/exit cues. Which I saw, at the Ziegfeld Theatre in New York.

But, hidden within a lot of those sweeping surf and widescreen views was a powerful film about lost illusions and and divided loyalties. 2 hours or less, and it could have been a real winner.

But so much of it was blown out of proportion.

Big flop. It killed Lean’s career.



 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Use Search engine, por favor. Lots of discussion in previous threads. Even Mr. Archibald and the GREAT Ziegfeld Theatre. wink Like this:

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&forumID=1&threadID=9064&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2020 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

And it was originally a roadshow, with overture/intermission/entr’acte/exit cues. Which I saw, at the Ziegfeld Theatre in New York.

But, hidden within a lot of those sweeping surf and widescreen views was a powerful film about lost illusions and and divided loyalties. 2 hours or less, and it could have been a real winner.

But so much of it was blown out of proportion.

Big flop. It killed Lean’s career.


Yes, The Ziegfeld! Surely missed. Ryan's Daughter was magnificent in 70mm at The Ziegfeld. It was shown as a Reserved Performance presentation. Meaning that you could purchase tickets in advance for a performance but you didn't have a reserved seat. In any case I 'm sure the film did well at The Ziegfeld as it was always packed at the performances I attended. But, it certainly did not do well and sent David Lean into a multi year funk ...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2020 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

RD didn't do as well as MGM had hoped, but the film was a moneymaker. The domestic gross was nearly $31 million on a budget of $13.3 million, making the film the eighth highest-grossing picture of 1970.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2020 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I agree that it would be a little more accurate to say that the CRITICAL REACTION to the film ruined Lean's career, because he confessed it definitely did send him into that long-lasting funk before he finally tackled PASSAGE TO INDIA.

Personally, I've never been a big fan of Jarre's RYAN'S DAUGHTER score. I wish Lean hadn't instructed Jarre to write "no Irish-sounding music." What they ended up with always sounded to me like it would have been more appropriate for a Fellini film, and it always took me out of the mise en scene.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2020 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

RD didn't do as well as MGM had hoped, but the film was a moneymaker. The domestic gross was nearly $31 million on a budget of $13.3 million, making the film the eighth highest-grossing picture of 1970.

The exclusive engagements lasted 6 or more months. Thereafter it was in general release for many months, not a total disaster.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2020 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

And it was originally a roadshow, with overture/intermission/entr’acte/exit cues. Which I saw, at the Ziegfeld Theatre in New York.

But, hidden within a lot of those sweeping surf and widescreen views was a powerful film about lost illusions and and divided loyalties. 2 hours or less, and it could have been a real winner.

But so much of it was blown out of proportion.

Big flop. It killed Lean’s career.


It definitely dealt a blow to his career but he managed to end on a high note with A PASSAGE TO INDIA (which many of the critics who sneered at RYAN'S DAUGHTER praised).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2020 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

After Doctor Zhivago David Lean needed to show that he could make smaller films, as the big epics were going out of style (& he'd made tons of great small budget films before The Bridge on the River Kwai). Ryan's Daughter was just the film, but by then Lean just couldn't change, budget busting 70mm filming that went on forever, despite MGM bigwigs pleading with him to wrap it up. The film totally got away from Lean, who didn't even direct the famous storm sequence. I'm surprised about the missing tapes for the music, as MGM were so good about keeping their tapes in good order, just look at all those great FSM releases. It looks like the last CD release of the soundtrack album was on the Chapter III label, combined with the Grand Prix album.

I have to admit that I've never seen it, I just didn't fancy it when it was released.

 
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