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 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

Is there a way to determine if a CD is a CD-R just by looking at it? It's frustrating when you purchase a "CD" (sometimes paying double the price of a download) only to suspect that it's a CD-R. Sites like Amazon are inconsistent in how they identify media and descriptions can't be trusted.

If the bottom of the "CD" is silver and another color, I know it's a CD-R, but what if the bottom is silver and then a different silver? Is that definitely a CD-R?

Can you tell by the markings on the center ring or anyplace else?

Finally, would a CD-R only release from a legitimate manufacturer be of higher quality than the ones people burn on a home computer?

Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=86282&forumID=7&archive=0#:~:text=So%2C%20a%20way%20to%20tell,be%20parallel%20to%20its%20edge.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I've received pressed cds that seem to have a burn pattern like a cd-r, and others where the bottom has a swirl of silver rather than plain silver. I've tried to identify questionable discs with Nero Disc Info (or similar) software, but I'm not sure I ever figured it out. I'd be interested, too, to know if the markings on the inner ring are meaningful.

Based on my experience with made-on-demand dvd-r which occassionaly were bad burns, I would think their cd-r could also be a crap-shoot. Depends on if their burners are working, burn speed, verification, media.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

Thanks for the information, Bob and Last Child! Unfortunately, it's unclear to me whether there is a definitive way to tell. A lot of the information that's out there on the web is often ambiguous. Such as: CD-R's will show a demarcation line between the used and unused areas of the disc...but sometimes they don't. Real CD's will have barcodes etched near the center on the bottom-side....but sometimes they don't. CD-R's will have an area that doesn't reflect light...but sometimes they do.

I was just about to download Nero DiscSpeed, but (1) getting freeware can be risky and (2) I'm not sure what function in Nero would give me a definitive answer (unless there's an option that says "CD or CD-R").

Has anyone had luck safely downloading and using software that could answer the CD vs. CD-R question?

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Does it really matter? It used to irk me when Amazon started to produce/sell CD-R over pressed CD's. I felt like I was getting an inferior product. But honestly I have hundreds of burnt CD's Ive made in iTunes, some 15 years old and they all play fine.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

Does it really matter? It used to irk me when Amazon started to produce/sell CD-R over pressed CD's. I felt like I was getting an inferior product. But honestly I have hundreds of burnt CD's Ive made in iTunes, some 15 years old and they all play fine.

Great question! It actually doesn't matter...until it does. My current computer does not recognize any of the CD-R's that I burned with my previous computers.

If Amazon CD-R's could suffer the same en masse fate on a future computer, a future CD player, etc., then I would have to adjust how I handle my collection, such as ripping lossless copies of all of my Amazon purchases, or even just going with the cheaper download option to begin with.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

Is there a way to determine if a CD is a CD-R just by looking at it? It's frustrating when you purchase a "CD" (sometimes paying double the price of a download) only to suspect that it's a CD-R. Sites like Amazon are inconsistent in how they identify media and descriptions can't be trusted.

If the bottom of the "CD" is silver and another color, I know it's a CD-R, but what if the bottom is silver and then a different silver? Is that definitely a CD-R?

Can you tell by the markings on the center ring or anyplace else?

Finally, would a CD-R only release from a legitimate manufacturer be of higher quality than the ones people burn on a home computer?

Thanks!



Amazon used to indicate that they are selling "Manufactured Discs" or CD-R Media, but they stopped doing this. Which is frustrating. Its a little more complicated to tell now, but here are some of the things I look for.

1 . Assume that all Sony, Water Tower, and CDBaby releases on Amazon are CD-Rs. Unless you can prove otherwise.
2. Amazon CD-Rs are made to order, so there is usually a delay before they ship it. I'm seeing a "Usually ships within 5-10 days." warning as common.
3. Read the Reviews below, often a customer will mention they are CD-Rs. Or Ask around on the forums
4.Check discogs.com and see if they are Matrix codes posted and scans of the art and discs. Matrix codes are stamped on the ring of pressed discs. The barcode on the back cover will have "Manufactured by Amazon" if its a CD-R. DON'T trust the art posted by Amazon.com since they don't show that label. Also if the disc has a barcode on the front of it, its a CD-R.
5. And other times theres just no way to know for sure, So have Prime and take advantage of their return policy.


 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

Does it really matter? It used to irk me when Amazon started to produce/sell CD-R over pressed CD's. I felt like I was getting an inferior product. But honestly I have hundreds of burnt CD's Ive made in iTunes, some 15 years old and they all play fine.

You may not have trouble playing them, but from a collector or enthusiast point of view CD-Rs are not taken seriously as the "legit release", especially if there are pressed discs available in other regions like the UK and Germany. They have passion and pride in their collections so prefer everything to be "authentic". Also CD-Rs have 0 trade or resale value, nor even any bragging rights to collectors.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Does it really matter? It used to irk me when Amazon started to produce/sell CD-R over pressed CD's. I felt like I was getting an inferior product. But honestly I have hundreds of burnt CD's Ive made in iTunes, some 15 years old and they all play fine.

You may not have trouble playing them, but from a collector or enthusiast point of view CD-Rs are not taken seriously as the "legit release", especially if there are pressed discs available in other regions like the UK and Germany. They have passion and pride in their collections so prefer everything to be "authentic". Also CD-Rs have 0 trade or resale value, nor even any bragging rights to collectors.


Fair enough!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Thrift shops are full of CD-R's that have crude Sharpie scribbles on the disc face and it pisses me off that they still expect you to pay the same for it as a factory-pressed CD.
And they SURE don't like it when it's pointed out to them! LOL

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

Amazon used to indicate that they are selling "Manufactured Discs" or CD-R Media, but they stopped doing this. Which is frustrating. Its a little more complicated to tell now, but here are some of the things I look for.

1 . Assume that all Sony, Water Tower, and CDBaby releases on Amazon are CD-Rs. Unless you can prove otherwise.
2. Amazon CD-Rs are made to order, so there is usually a delay before they ship it. I'm seeing a "Usually ships within 5-10 days." warning as common.
3. Read the Reviews below, often a customer will mention they are CD-Rs. Or Ask around on the forums
4.Check discogs.com and see if they are Matrix codes posted and scans of the art and discs. Matrix codes are stamped on the ring of pressed discs. The barcode on the back cover will have "Manufactured by Amazon" if its a CD-R. DON'T trust the art posted by Amazon.com since they don't show that label. Also if the disc has a barcode on the front of it, its a CD-R.
5. And other times theres just no way to know for sure, So have Prime and take advantage of their return policy.


This is awesome advice and it proves that the "CD" I ordered is, in fact, a CD-R. The barcode on the back of the case indeed has (in tiny printing too tiny for me to see without strong glasses) "Manufactured by Amazon.com". The disc also has the barcode on the top label and not on the underside.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Question:
Is the brand of the disc ever mentioned in on-demand releases?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

Question:
Is the brand of the disc ever mentioned in on-demand releases?


If, by brand, you mean the record label, the answer is yes.

With the CD-R that I just received, the record label is given as the original label listed on the record sleeve/real CD cover.

I just re-read the Amazon description in detail - I don't see any way that any consumer would know that this was not a pressed CD. (In this case, no review "ratted" them out.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If, by brand, you mean the record label, the answer is yes.
With the CD-R that I just received, the record label is given as the original label listed on the record sleeve/real CD cover.
I just re-read the Amazon description in detail - I don't see any way that any consumer would know that this was not a pressed CD. (In this case, no review "ratted" them out.)



No amigo, I meant the company that manufactured the blank disc.

Some brands are more reliable than others, and I think if Amazon and the like stated clearly what brand they are using, it would probably help diminish some of the stigma of buying burned CD-R's in the first place.
But for all I know, Amazon et al. already does that (I do not know, which is why I asked).

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

If, by brand, you mean the record label, the answer is yes.
With the CD-R that I just received, the record label is given as the original label listed on the record sleeve/real CD cover.
I just re-read the Amazon description in detail - I don't see any way that any consumer would know that this was not a pressed CD. (In this case, no review "ratted" them out.)



No amigo, I meant the company that manufactured the blank disc.

Some brands are more reliable than others, and I think if Amazon and the like stated clearly what brand they are using, it would probably help diminish some of the stigma of buying burned CD-R's in the first place.
But for all I know, Amazon et al. already does that (I do not know, which is why I asked).


When Amazon first announced the CD on Demand program back in 2007 or 08. They revealed that a third party company called CreateSpace would actually be creating the discs for Amazon, and they were using some variant of the Verbatim brand. While I was trying to find that reference to include with my answer to your question, I see that the initial Launch page is now gone, along with any mention of the brand name of the CD-Rs. BTW starting next month CreateSpace will no longer be creating the CD-Rs for Amazon. Amazon will start doing it themselves.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

No amigo, I meant the company that manufactured the blank disc.

Some brands are more reliable than others, and I think if Amazon and the like stated clearly what brand they are using, it would probably help diminish some of the stigma of buying burned CD-R's in the first place.
But for all I know, Amazon et al. already does that (I do not know, which is why I asked).


Sorry I inferred something incorrectly from your post. It might indeed be helpful to know more about the blank discs and process. If I knew that the disc manufacturer and process used were reliable, I wouldn't have as much of an issue ordering "blindly" on Amazon.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Discogs provides some helpful guidelines:

https://support.discogs.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005006654-Database-Guidelines-6-Format#CD_Versus_CDr

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

From what I've seen CDR'S are made off 2 cd-layer designs.

The best design-colour & quality have slight mint-purple but its mostly silver, it looks close too the boutique cd but not exactly the quality is far-less around the ring area I own a lot of boutique cds.

This other is strong-minty green & bluely-purple the overall silver not much, its layer is thinner it looks dull cheap. LLL had a batch with He-Man animated the press-plant screwed-up.

I reckon what Amazon is trading is the 1st design only, they'll cost more too produce but in-line with other company labels who choose too do it this way.

I am a prime-member, but If I see CDR on demand or others I leave them I don't have any. I have been given them for presents in the past but my hi-fi is obsolete too em, I sell them on ebay or friends.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

A while back I bought Hamlisch's THE INFORMANT from Amazon and it was a cdr. Since then I bought the U.K. version which is an actual pressed cd. I use the cdr copy in the car, it didn't cost very much.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

A while back I bought Hamlisch's THE INFORMANT from Amazon and it was a cdr. Since then I bought the U.K. version which is an actual pressed cd. I use the cdr copy in the car, it didn't cost very much.

Very sensible thing to do.

 
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