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 Posted:   Jul 20, 2020 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

The Barry Gray programme is advertised as being "available" for the next five days. It's been up for a while, but I didn't notice. I've dipped into it, and it plays in my area, although the Amram has gone - perhaps over to your area(s)?

Matthew Sweet talks to Gerry Anderson's son about Barry Gray's music. Sounds interesting from what I've heard of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000kh5l

The John Williams programme offers an interesting selection. It's not often you hear IMAGES, LAND OF THE GIANTS or VALLEY OF THE DOLLS on "normal" radio. Again, at the moment it's working for me. Says "available for the next 13 days".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000kmz1

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2020 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

@ Mr. Graham Watt: Nice! I'm listening to this and it is delightful. Also, and this is a huge bonus, it seems, so far, to be 100% woke freeā„¢ and this despite it being produced by the freaking BBC! eek

Edit: Didn't understand the use of the Zimmer tracks in a Barry Gray tribute, but the show was excellent overall. Thanks again, Mr. Watt.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2020 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Per previous entry on Zoom thread, I can't resist. This KILLS me every time since way back when! Those drums!!

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   bigjimwilson   (Member)

Quite often, when people talk about recording sessions they would love to have been at, I think about what it must have been like to be in the room with those Stingray drums! Incredible.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Barry Gray and John Williams - BBC Sound of Cinema
The Barry Gray programme is advertised as being "available" for the next five days. It's been up for a while, but I didn't notice.


Until I mentioned them in the David Amram thread. You're welcome. razz

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

Both were pleasurable experiences with the exception of Images on the Williams programme. I never did like that score. It was interesting that Crispin Merrell who composed for the Space Precinct series, that Crispin arranged and played a special version of Aqua Marina for Barry Gray's Funeral in 1984.

Remembering back to the days of Thunderbirds that the music was probably a big part of the British exceptionalism of the 1960s. It never affected me that way, but I've always had great fondness for Barry Gray's music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

LC - Keep reminding us. Our memories are...something or other. Who the hell's David Armband anyway?

A&C - Regarding the Barry Gray prog, I understand the inclusion of the brief Zimmer clip in context. Whether you like his take on the original music or not, Jamie Anderson had been asked if he thought that Barry Gray would have "approved". Nice little answer too.

It's a bit like the inclusion of the piano solo version of "Aqua Marina", recorded specifically for Gray's funeral. I liked that as a final touch. Loved the story too about the lady who had requested the theme to "Thunderbirds" to be played at her funeral. It was only after the event that they discovered she had said "The Thorn Birds". These little things bring the show out of the "then he wrote this and then he wrote that" format.

Oh, in case I forget, anyone know that version of "Space; 1999" they played? I wasn't familiar with it and it seemed a bit jarring.

Overall, a very good hour. Not as great as the David Amram one (which you all missed out of your own sheer stupidity), simply because Barry Gray could not be there in person. Looking forward to the John Williams one, although I doubt he'll be there in person either, even though he can. I mean, what's the cost of a phone call to him?

Don't forget, nutmegs - the Barry Gray program(me) is up for the next five days, then it goes away forever. Don't blame Last Child if you miss it. Oh, I should ask - are these available to be heard planetwide? I know that for Yavar and myself the Amram show is now tagged with the confusing message "Unavailable in your area - available for one year", but can you all hear the Barry G and the Johnny W?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

I kinda got the impression that both programmes were only available for a few days world-wide, but indefinitely within the UK ?.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I kinda got the impression that both programmes were only available for a few days world-wide, but indefinitely within the UK ?.

Are they available indefinitely in the UK, George? Could you still hear the Amram prog if you wanted? I'm in Spain and have five more days to (re)listen to the BG, and twelve more to get around to hearing the JW.

I think that's the same as those who live in Land of Tidy Bowl, wherever that is.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

I kinda got the impression that both programmes were only available for a few days world-wide, but indefinitely within the UK ?.

Are they available indefinitely in the UK, George? Could you still hear the Amram prog if you wanted? I'm in Spain and have five more days to (re)listen to the BG, and twelve more to get around to hearing the JW.

I think that's the same as those who live in Land of Tidy Bowl, wherever that is.


It plays fine, and says "Available for over a year". That's the Amram programme.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Quite often, when people talk about recording sessions they would love to have been at, I think about what it must have been like to be in the room with those Stingray drums! Incredible.

I know, makes me want to join in on the festivities at Skull Island!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   stanatstationnj   (Member)

LC - Keep reminding us. Our memories are...something or other. Who the hell's David Armband anyway?

A&C - Regarding the Barry Gray prog, I understand the inclusion of the brief Zimmer clip in context. Whether you like his take on the original music or not, Jamie Anderson had been asked if he thought that Barry Gray would have "approved". Nice little answer too.

It's a bit like the inclusion of the piano solo version of "Aqua Marina", recorded specifically for Gray's funeral. I liked that as a final touch. Loved the story too about the lady who had requested the theme to "Thunderbirds" to be played at her funeral. It was only after the event that they discovered she had said "The Thorn Birds". These little things bring the show out of the "then he wrote this and then he wrote that" format.

Oh, in case I forget, anyone know that version of "Space; 1999" they played? I wasn't familiar with it and it seemed a bit jarring.

Overall, a very good hour. Not as great as the David Amram one (which you all missed out of your own sheer stupidity), simply because Barry Gray could not be there in person. Looking forward to the John Williams one, although I doubt he'll be there in person either, even though he can. I mean, what's the cost of a phone call to him?

Don't forget, nutmegs - the Barry Gray program(me) is up for the next five days, then it goes away forever. Don't blame Last Child if you miss it. Oh, I should ask - are these available to be heard planetwide? I know that for Yavar and myself the Amram show is now tagged with the confusing message "Unavailable in your area - available for one year", but can you all hear the Barry G and the Johnny W?



Crispin Merrell's version of Marina was played at Gerry Anderson's funeral in January 2013.
Stingray/March of the Oysters was a Nic Raine CPPO cover; Space 1999 was a Derek Wadsworth/ CPPO cover.
Apart from those and the Zimmerisation, they were all BG recordings.
Great stuff.
I have to find a way of recording the show.
Best,
Stan

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Thanks Stan for the info about the "Space:1999" track. And yes, of course, the piano version of "Marina" would have been for Gerry Anderson's funeral, not Barry Gray's. My mistake(s) once more.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

A&C - Regarding the Barry Gray prog, I understand the inclusion of the brief Zimmer clip in context. Whether you like his take on the original music or not, Jamie Anderson had been asked if he thought that Barry Gray would have "approved". Nice little answer too.

It's a bit like the inclusion of the piano solo version of "Aqua Marina", recorded specifically for Gray's funeral. I liked that as a final touch. Loved the story too about the lady who had requested the theme to "Thunderbirds" to be played at her funeral. It was only after the event that they discovered she had said "The Thorn Birds". These little things bring the show out of the "then he wrote this and then he wrote that" format.

Oh, in case I forget, anyone know that version of "Space; 1999" they played? I wasn't familiar with it and it seemed a bit jarring.


@ Mr. Graham Watt: thanks for the info and no, I have no idea where that version of Space 1999 comes from. It is indeed very jarring.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2020 - 11:27 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Oh DO pay @ A n' C - "Stan" mentions above that the Space:1999 theme was re-recorded by Season 2's composer Derek Wadsworth, with the City of Prague Philharmonic. I'm not sure, but I think it's on Silva's "The Cult Files: Reopened".

Stan also corrected my foe-pah about Crispin Merrell's piano rendition of "Marina" being played at Barry Gray's funeral. Of course, that would have been impossible - it was Gerry Anderson's funeral.

I'm only repeating this because my errors were replicated in your quote, A n' C, after Stan had put the record straight.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2020 - 12:33 AM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

While we're in confession mode, I may have added some confusion of my own. The "son" was introduced as Gerry's son but in talking he made mention of his father's music as Gerry was originally a music editor. From then on I was confused between the two. Sorry. I'm getting old.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2020 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

While we're in confession mode, I may have added some confusion of my own. The "son" was introduced as Gerry's son but in talking he made mention of his father's music as Gerry was originally a music editor. From then on I was confused between the two. Sorry. I'm getting old.

Please don't apologise. What's left of my brain has just exploded trying to understand your post. I'll try again after coffee.

AFTER COFFEE - George, I don't see any confusion. The guest was Gerry Anderson's son. The only misleading info in your first post is when you mention the Crispin Merrell piano version of "Marina" being played at Barry Gray's funeral. Impossible. But even I copied your mistake.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2020 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   stanatstationnj   (Member)

While we're in confession mode, I may have added some confusion of my own. The "son" was introduced as Gerry's son but in talking he made mention of his father's music as Gerry was originally a music editor. From then on I was confused between the two. Sorry. I'm getting old.

Please don't apologise. What's left of my brain has just exploded trying to understand your post. I'll try again after coffee.

AFTER COFFEE - George, I don't see any confusion. The guest was Gerry Anderson's son. The only misleading info in your first post is when you mention the Crispin Merrell piano version of "Marina" being played at Barry Gray's funeral. Impossible. But even I copied your mistake.




The Derek Wadsworth version of Space 1999 is on the "Cult Files Reopened, along with Nic Raine's Stingray/March of the Oysters - the rerecording compilation from Silva.
I also like FAB, the Silva rerecording with the RPO from1992. Wadsworth's 1999 year two theme is on that. The rest of the programme is all BG. I don't understand why Barry's year one theme wasn't included.

That said, nothing beats the original recordings presented by Fanderson and Silva. The Fanderson material can be a bit repetitive in places, so the Silva versions are excellent summaries of Barry's work

I have to check to see how long the BG Sound of Cinema is available on this side of the Pond.
The only big omission from the programme I can think of is not including the main theme to The Secret Service. That would have really demonstrated the true range of Barry's versatility, with the Mike Sammes Singers performing the main title. Done in the style of The Swingle Singers, the French choral group. The Secret Service was the last, beautifully done, supermarionation series.

Great discussion folks.
Best,
Stan

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2020 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

The only big omission from the programme I can think of is not including the main theme to The Secret Service. That would have really demonstrated the true range of Barry's versatility, with the Mike Sammes Singers performing the main title.

@ Mr. Stan: Agreed! Only Barry Gray would have come up with bizarre and brilliant idea like that for a children's programme. Crazily good! Completely outside the box thinking.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2020 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

The only big omission from the programme I can think of is not including the main theme to The Secret Service. That would have really demonstrated the true range of Barry's versatility, with the Mike Sammes Singers performing the main title.

@ Mr. Stan: Agreed! Only Barry Gray would have come up with bizarre and brilliant idea like that for a children's programme. Crazily good! Completely outside the box thinking.


I was not aware of THE SECRET SERVICE until this thread. A couple of YT clips on this series' credit sequences remind me of Michel Legrand's Castle Keep. Barry Gray here sounds more like French or Italian composers than English.

 
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