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 Posted:   Apr 8, 2021 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :

1- UN HOMME ET UNE FEMME (Francis Lai made this version in 1978)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k550-6_QUmI

from this album: https://www.discogs.com/fr/release/10537067-Ses-Plus-Belles-Musiques-De-Films/images

2- DIRTY DINGUS MAGEE (I hate the original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOiP_k3ioEg

3- HANG'EM HIGH (Hugo Montenegro) The original by Frontiere is also very good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eYWXwaX3TU

4- THE JAMES BOND THEME (Frank Pourcel gives this version a PERSUADERS theme feeling)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRVYUVbqlU0

5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8

6- IL ÉTAIT UNE FOIS DANS L'OUEST (Mario Cavallero's version is maybe not better but different and also very good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M84fkAtgnM

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2021 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

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 Posted:   Apr 10, 2021 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

WHERE IS PETER GUNN???

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 1:31 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :
...
5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8...


It's a shame this video won't play as I'd like to know which recording you have linked. John Barry recorded cover versions of the film's theme in 1963 (Ember label) and 1966 (Columbia/CBS label) but - as far I know - only ever revisited the theme as part of his James Bond Suite - in 1972 (Polydor label) and in 1995 (Epic label).

But I struggle to think you mean that symphonic version from 1972.

As for your Franck Pourcel cover of the James Bond Theme ... certainly good but not even close to being the best of the covers ... or better than the original!
Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :
...
5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8...


It's a shame this video won't play as I'd like to know which recording you have linked. John Barry recorded cover versions of the film's theme in 1963 (Ember label) and 1966 (Columbia/CBS label) but - as far I know - only ever revisited the theme as part of his James Bond Suite - in 1972 (Polydor label) and in 1995 (Epic label).

But I struggle to think you mean that symphonic version from 1972.

As for your Franck Pourcel cover of the James Bond Theme ... certainly good but not even close to being the best of the covers ... or better than the original!
Mitch



The FRWL appears to be from this album:

https://www.discogs.com/John-Barry-The-Film-Music-Of-John-Barry/release/7848445


As for Pourcel, and covers in general, it depends. Some of his recordings are fine, others are not so. There's room for scrupulous recreations (Tadlow), particularly of scores that are lost or stuck with poor audio quality, and then there's room for different takes and ideas (Geoff Love, Pourcel, The Joe Bloggs Funky Five Play The Hits Of Gerard Schurmann).

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

... The FRWL appears to be from this album:

https://www.discogs.com/John-Barry-The-Film-Music-Of-John-Barry/release/7848445


Yes, that's the Columbia/CBS recording from 1966 (or maybe 1965). An excellent variation on the OST version (not that the OST version was from the film score ... that particular version is better represented by one of Barry's 1963 recordings (on the Ember label)


As for Pourcel, and covers in general, it depends. Some of his recordings are fine, others are not so. There's room for scrupulous recreations (Tadlow), particularly of scores that are lost or stuck with poor audio quality, and then there's room for different takes and ideas (Geoff Love, Pourcel, The Joe Bloggs Funky Five Play The Hits Of Gerard Schurmann).

I have numerous re-recordings/cover versions of many film themes and have a large number of Franck Pourcel tracks ... his album James Bond's Greatest Hits (1973) is highly enjoyable ... except for the excruciating take on Live and Let Die ... but I've other James Bond Theme covers I'd take in precedence to his, e.g. Si Zentner (1964), Frank Chacksfield (1968), Geoff Love (1975) and, of course, Roland Shaw [1964)

But, John Barry's own 1962 EMI recording takes top slot ... followed by his 1965/6 Columbia/CBS recording (which is where we came in).smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

I do not know if it is better but I personally must confess that I prefer Erich Kunzel/Cincinnati Pops Orchestra`s version on the Fantastic Journey CD of Jerry Goldsmith`s Carol Anne`s Theme/End Credits from Poltergeist. I really like this version so much that I used it (rather than the original version) at the funeral of my brother.

and then there is a compilation album called Movie Themes performed by Movie Sound Orchestra and released back in 1990. On this CD there is a lot of more or less interesting music (as in both songs and score) from such films as Ghostbusters, Star Trek V, Dirty Dancing, Batman, Licence To Kill, Beetlejuice, Cocoon II, Gorillas In The Mist and Dirty Rotten Scoundrels among others. However there is one track (track 13 on the CD) that is (and I am now quoting) Karate Kid III (Love Theme From The Karate Kid) by Bill Conti and runs 4.39. This particular track is nowhere to find on the Varése Sarabande Karate Kid box strangely enough. Anyway I love it. This must be one of if not the best Bill Conti single cue/track that I have ever heard and why I include it here even if I do not find it at all on that box is because this track alone is in my opinion even better that the best track from any of the 4 Karate Kid soundtracks that are on that box. With that said I do not mean that the music on that box is bad, not at all I really like it but this track is even better.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

... The FRWL appears to be from this album:

https://www.discogs.com/John-Barry-The-Film-Music-Of-John-Barry/release/7848445


Yes, that's the Columbia/CBS recording from 1966 (or maybe 1965). An excellent variation on the OST version (not that the OST version was from the film score ... that particular version is better represented by one of Barry's 1963 recordings (on the Ember label)


As for Pourcel, and covers in general, it depends. Some of his recordings are fine, others are not so. There's room for scrupulous recreations (Tadlow), particularly of scores that are lost or stuck with poor audio quality, and then there's room for different takes and ideas (Geoff Love, Pourcel, The Joe Bloggs Funky Five Play The Hits Of Gerard Schurmann).

I have numerous re-recordings/cover versions of many film themes and have a large number of Franck Pourcel tracks ... his album James Bond's Greatest Hits (1973) is highly enjoyable ... except for the excruciating take on Live and Let Die ... but I've other James Bond Theme covers I'd take in precedence to his, e.g. Si Zentner (1964), Frank Chacksfield (1968), Geoff Love (1975) and, of course, Roland Shaw [1964)

But, John Barry's own 1962 EMI recording takes top slot ... followed by his 1965/6 Columbia/CBS recording (which is where we came in).smile


I agree with you wholeheartedly. Barry provided a wide range of variations on the James Bond theme during the 1962 to 1985 period - and each one worked perfectly for the movie it was written for. The ultimate versions for me are the 45rpm version and the LP/film version.

The same goes for FRWL: the best one is the LP version - followed by the film version (if that one would be available in acceptable audio quality).

I own a broad range of 007 cover albums (and some of them are quite nice), but I consider the originals to be the ultimate versions.

Maybe I'm a purist, but the same goes even for scores where the original exists only in scratchy sound: re-recordings or covers versions are merely an alternative (or replacement) for the original recording. Notable exceptions are the 1950s/1960s recordings by the likes of Sinatra, Ella, Mel Tormé, Sassy, Doris Day, et al. of 1920s to 1940s standard repertory.

I quite enjoy the cover versions of "Un homme et une femme" by artists like Henry Mancini, Mireille Mathieu, Matt Monro or Walter Wanderley, but Francis Lai's version remains the reference.

Just as I was typing, I was thinking perhaps of a sole exception: Henry Mancini's arrangement of "Z" wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

I have it on this album
https://www.discogs.com/release/1898098-Theme-From-The-Persuaders!/images



Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :
...
5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8...


It's a shame this video won't play as I'd like to know which recording you have linked. John Barry recorded cover versions of the film's theme in 1963 (Ember label) and 1966 (Columbia/CBS label) but - as far I know - only ever revisited the theme as part of his James Bond Suite - in 1972 (Polydor label) and in 1995 (Epic label).

But I struggle to think you mean that symphonic version from 1972.

As for your Franck Pourcel cover of the James Bond Theme ... certainly good but not even close to being the best of the covers ... or better than the original!
Mitch

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I have it on this album
https://www.discogs.com/release/1898098-Theme-From-The-Persuaders!/images

Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :
...
5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8...


Yes, that's one of its many releases!

That particular album was released to capitalise on the popularity of the title track's hit record (UK top 20) but the other eleven tracks, including From Russia With Love, had been available for two or more years, appearing on John Barry's earlier LPs released on the same label (i.e. Great Movie Sounds of John Barry, John Barry Conducts His Greatest Movie Hits and Ready When You Are, J.B., except for the two themes from the TV programme Vendetta - I believe these had been available only of 45rpm release at that time.

Since then, many, but not all, of his recordings for the Columbia/CBS label have appeared on numerous compilations (both vinyl and CD) ... many of which I've bought these last near 50 years! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Is NO NAME a better 'cover' version than the original NUMBER 6? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

Here s what i can do : send the tracks by email or send a cd with 2 tracks (PETER GUNN and THE PINK PANTHER THEME)
But i would do it so the one who gets it would be able to place a link here so everybody could listen. I don t know why you can t access to the link but its working for me and its supposed to be for every public.

Or maybe someone on this forum as a way to put these tracks here. Can t wait to see what people think and its impossibe to dislike this version. When i said i was the only person on this planet who knows this recording it was just a joke, but now,,,


WHERE IS PETER GUNN???

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

are you saying that this link is not working ?

startquote]Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :
...
5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8...


It's a shame this video won't play as I'd like to know which recording you have linked. John Barry recorded cover versions of the film's theme in 1963 (Ember label) and 1966 (Columbia/CBS label) but - as far I know - only ever revisited the theme as part of his James Bond Suite - in 1972 (Polydor label) and in 1995 (Epic label).

But I struggle to think you mean that symphonic version from 1972.

As for your Franck Pourcel cover of the James Bond Theme ... certainly good but not even close to being the best of the covers ... or better than the original!
Mitch

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

are you saying that this link is not working ?

startquote]Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :
...
5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8...


It's a shame this video won't play as I'd like to know which recording you have linked. John Barry recorded cover versions of the film's theme in 1963 (Ember label) and 1966 (Columbia/CBS label) but - as far I know - only ever revisited the theme as part of his James Bond Suite - in 1972 (Polydor label) and in 1995 (Epic label).

But I struggle to think you mean that symphonic version from 1972.

As for your Franck Pourcel cover of the James Bond Theme ... certainly good but not even close to being the best of the covers ... or better than the original!
Mitch


The link opens YouTube but instead of playing the screen shows Video unavailable

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

ITS working for me ! what about the other links ? try this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zOfY_DhhTg

are you saying that this link is not working ?

startquote]Here is some tracks that i think are not just very different but better than the actual scores :
...
5- FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (John Barry made this version in 1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELqVLc9ox8...


It's a shame this video won't play as I'd like to know which recording you have linked. John Barry recorded cover versions of the film's theme in 1963 (Ember label) and 1966 (Columbia/CBS label) but - as far I know - only ever revisited the theme as part of his James Bond Suite - in 1972 (Polydor label) and in 1995 (Epic label).

But I struggle to think you mean that symphonic version from 1972.

As for your Franck Pourcel cover of the James Bond Theme ... certainly good but not even close to being the best of the covers ... or better than the original!
Mitch


The link opens YouTube but instead of playing the screen shows Video unavailable

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

As much as they are just copies of the original compositions...I find Horners adaptations of some of Prokofiefs pieces more "appealing".
Like his version of the CANTATA ON THE 20th ANNIVERSARY OF THE OCTOBER REVOLUTION vs.RED HEAT.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

ITS working for me ! what about the other links ? try this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zOfY_DhhTg...


Yes, that works fine ... and, yes, this is the Columbia/CBS version John Barry recorded in 1965/6 and included on his first album on that label: Great Movie Sound of John Barry tr.A5

See: https://www.discogs.com/John-Barry-His-Orchestra-The-Great-Movie-Sounds-Of-John-Barry/master/266723

I've known that track since 1973/4 ... and never tire of it smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

ITS working for me ! what about the other links ? try this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zOfY_DhhTg...


Yes, that works fine ... and, yes, this is the Columbia/CBS version John Barry recorded in 1965/6 and included on his first album on that label: Great Movie Sound of John Barry tr.A5

See: https://www.discogs.com/John-Barry-His-Orchestra-The-Great-Movie-Sounds-Of-John-Barry/master/266723

I've known that track since 1973/4 ... and never tire of it smile



What about this one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_pv6ObJ7Fg

https://www.discogs.com/release/3327565-The-Very-Best-Of-John-Barry/images

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...What about this one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_pv6ObJ7Fg

https://www.discogs.com/release/3327565-The-Very-Best-Of-John-Barry/images


No, that video won't play - unavailable.

The CD you link is a compilation of John Barry's recordings on the Polydor label (early/mid 1970s). He produced 3 albums and a few singles and that CD is, as far as I know, the most complete collection of these recordings, being:

- 3 cues from the James Bond Suite + Midnight Cowboy
from the album The Concert John Barry (1972)

- the complete album (12 tracks) Play It Again (1974)

- the 6 tracks which had no specific album release, but did appear on subsequent compilation albums

This CD does not include any music from his third album Americans (1976) which is non-film music.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

THE RIGHT STUFF/NORTH AND SOUTH twofer performed by the London Symphony Orchestra! One of the best albums ever!

 
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