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 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 8:30 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Here's the original, unused main title music for Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home featuring the original TV theme restored.

https://vimeo.com/577031434

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 8:36 PM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

Here's the original, unused main title music for Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home featuring the original TV theme restored.

https://vimeo.com/577014088


Thanks Mutant. A good thing it was re-scored!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

Here's the original, unused main title music for Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home featuring the original TV theme restored.

https://vimeo.com/577014088


Rosenman’s original theme definitely sets the tone better. This is a bit too stately and downbeat for the energetic movie that was to follow. Not to mention how, when the Courage theme ends, Rosenman begins to score the film while the credits are still rolling is weird. Nimoy was right to ask for a rescore.

I’ve never understood the vitriol around this score. Rosenman needed to write something different than the tragic scores Horner wrote (which, by nature, needed to be). Honestly I’m not sure what Rosenman ultimately came up with would have been a million miles from what Horner would have done (ex. the San Francisco scenes wouldn’t have been done by the Yellowjackets but would have had 48 Hrs. Drum riffs).

As always, great job.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Here's the original, unused main title music for Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home featuring the original TV theme restored.

https://vimeo.com/577014088


This is wildly mistimed. The main title should start AFTER the Paramount logo as it does in the final versiin

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Here's the original, unused main title music for Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home featuring the original TV theme restored.

https://vimeo.com/577014088


This is wildly mistimed. The main title should start AFTER the Paramount logo as it does in the final versiin


oh crap... you're right. hang on

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Here's the original, unused main title music for Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home featuring the original TV theme restored.

https://vimeo.com/577014088


This is wildly mistimed. The main title should start AFTER the Paramount logo as it does in the final versiin


oh crap... you're right. hang on


Aliright here's the Lord Dalek Redux version:

https://vimeo.com/577031434

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Glad they changed it.This one is just the TV Theme...I know lots of you dont like Rosenmans Score...for me it comes right after Goldsmiths' first, in my "ranking"of Trekki feature scores

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


The use of the TV theme was actually specified in the script! After recording it, Nimoy had second thoughts, played the end credits against the main titles and liked it better, so Lenny re-recorded the main titles using the end titles.

SPACE - A STARFIELD - ILM 1

A HORN sounds the STAR TREK FANFARE, and we begin to
MOVE FORWARD. MAIN TITLES begin. And to the delight
of Star Trek lovers everywhere, the MUSIC OVER the
early credits is the SERIES THEME by Alexander Courage.
We're in for a classic, good old Star Trek time. But
hold on...

After the first 16 bars and early CREDITS, the music
trails off ominously into silence -- and a faint new
SOUND. At the same time, we pick up a speck of light
coming toward us from deep space. As the SOUND GROWS,
the speck begins to assume shape and form.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

The use of the TV theme was actually specified in the script! After recording it, Nimoy had second thoughts, played the end credits against the main titles and liked it better, so Lenny re-recorded the main titles using the end titles.

I always felt the tempo was a bit slow in the re-score. The static starfield didn't help. I wish the music, or the performance, had done more to counter this.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2021 - 11:03 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

Here's the original, unused main title music for Star Trek Iv: The Voyage Home featuring the original TV theme restored.

https://vimeo.com/577014088


Rosenman’s original theme definitely sets the tone better. This is a bit too stately and downbeat for the energetic movie that was to follow. Not to mention how, when the Courage theme ends, Rosenman begins to score the film while the credits are still rolling is weird. Nimoy was right to ask for a rescore.

I’ve never understood the vitriol around this score. Rosenman needed to write something different than the tragic scores Horner wrote (which, by nature, needed to be). Honestly I’m not sure what Rosenman ultimately came up with would have been a million miles from what Horner would have done (ex. the San Francisco scenes wouldn’t have been done by the Yellowjackets but would have had 48 Hrs. Drum riffs).

As always, great job.


Rosenman's score fits the film very well. However, I think the San Francisco street scene would have played funner with no music at all. For me, at least.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 2:24 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I like Rosenman's STAR TREK score and theme, but this alternative Main Title here works very well also. It's very interesting, a completely different approach to open the movie. The idea to use the classic TV series theme works for this film, since it has the feeling of some of the more over the top comedic episodes of STAR TREK. Also that the Star Trek theme then segues into the ominous music for the approaching probe while the credits are still rolling is quite inspired. Thanks for bringing this to life.
Now I don't mind that they changed it, Rosenman's theme and the way the movie opens now works just fine... I just think this version was original and a valid alternate.

I just noticed this is on my Intrada release of the score, excellent! :-)
Never heard that one before (as I have not yet investigated the alternates etc.). Should pay more attention to those sometimes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

It makes wonder if Robert Wise had been more familiar with the TV series, he'd have persuaded Goldsmith to make extensive use of Courage's theme from the off?

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

It makes wonder if Robert Wise had been more familiar with the TV series, he'd have persuaded Goldsmith to make extensive use of Courage's theme from the off?

As far as I know, Goldsmith accepted STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE under the condition that he did not have to use the TV theme and could do his own music. Roddenberry originally wanted Goldsmith to score the TV series theme, but that didn't work out, so he was happy to get Goldsmith on board and write a new theme for the movie. Which Roddenberry then hitchhiked later on for the TV series Star Trek - The Next Generation.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

The use of the TV theme was actually specified in the script! After recording it, Nimoy had second thoughts, played the end credits against the main titles and liked it better, so Lenny re-recorded the main titles using the end titles.

I wonder how the TOS rendition of the opening credits would have sounded if it was placed at the end credits? You know, a complete swap. That would really harken back to the original series since this movie's end credits features still shots over the end credits!

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

That rendition of the TOS theme is terrible. I could've been on board if it was orchestrated differently.
Ironic since his rendition of the TOS theme at the end of the film is my favorite version of the TOS theme.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Well, I have to say that that was bloody awful. I never liked Courage's theme for the original TV series anyway (it always struck me as more Lucy and Desi than anything else) but as someone once said when I criticised it before (maybe LK or Jeff Bond?), "We're kind of stuck with it".

The opening fanfare could be adapted quite well to suit different moods, and of course has been, but once we're into the main melody... it seems so cumbersome and awkward. Any attempt at putting a counterpoint to it sounds to me akin to hammering a square peg into round hole.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think the original theme is perfect for the series. Starts off with a sense of wonder and anticipation then goes into this triumphant exploration motif. As much as I love the ST:TMP theme its way to militaristic for Star Trek.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I was never a big fan on the original TV series theme either as far as pure music is concerned, but it's obviously deeply connected to the original series.
I don't think the STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE theme is militaristic, it's energetic, rousing, optimistic, adventurous, but not militaristic or brash. Of course, it's also a very flexible theme, that can go from the dashing opening title to the inspired awe of "The Enterprise" or interpolated in various moods across many cues, such as the closing notes of Ilya's theme. But I never thought of it as merely militaristic.

(Apart from the point that, regardless of what Roddenberry had in mind or sometimes said, STARFLEET is militaristic in its structure, it's basically space military.)

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

I thought Giacchino did the best arrangement of the original series theme for the End Titles of STAR TREK (2009). In fact, that's probably the only version of the television theme I like. The energy and arrangement struck me as a joyous celebration of all things Trek; when I had lunch with him he said that's exactly what he had in mind when he wrote it - a celebration of the return of Star Trek.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I don't think the STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE theme is militaristic, it's energetic, rousing, optimistic, adventurous, but not militaristic or brash.

Glad you said it. I've never figured where that idea came from? It always struck me as optimistic, adventurous and aspirational, a lot like Star Trek, really.

 
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