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 Posted:   Nov 22, 2021 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

In 1963, I didn't know exactly what to expect when I went to a Saturday matinee to see "The Cardinal". It starred Tom Tryon who, to me, was really Texas John Slaughter and the "Moon Pilot" of Disney studios.

From the opening, Jerome Moross's score lifted me out of my seat and into the film where I remained for nearly three hours enthralled by the splendor and majesty of the score and the tale of the priest Tryon portrayed.

I know everyone's experiences are different when they go to films, or see them years later upon recommendations. But trust me when I tell you that I have never forgotten that experience (and no, it's not a truly GREAT film) and the music has been a part of my life ever since.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2021 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The greatness of the Main Title is enhanced by the beautifully designed Main Title visuals, by Saul Bass, that it accompanies.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Still available in splendiferous sound on Kritzerland. I'm sure Mr. Pulliam has a dim memory somewhere about a website he used to frequent.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 1:18 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

On Youtube, this episode of "Hollywood and the Stars" is about the making of the film, THE CARDINAL. Interesting stuff, and at approx. 15'10" Jerome Moross makes a brief appearance, coaching John Huston to make the right piano moves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nnCq5msPhY

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Still available in splendiferous sound on Kritzerland. I'm sure Mr. Pulliam has a dim memory somewhere about a website he used to frequent.

And I'm sure Mr. Kimmel has records of sales he has made to me of nearly ALL his releases regardless of what sites I have frequented.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 1:23 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Still available in splendiferous sound on Kritzerland. I'm sure Mr. Pulliam has a dim memory somewhere about a website he used to frequent.

And I'm sure Mr. Kimmel has records of sales he has made to me of nearly ALL his releases.


Yes, he does, but he also has records of all the lovely postings Mr. Pulliam used to make - it's been years, I'm sure he knows that, oh, yes, I'm sure he knows that - everyone misses him, but, alas...

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

THE CARDINAL is indeed a wonderful film score; it's been many, many years (childhood) since I've seen the movie though, I barely remember it. But the music score stands out.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

"Cardinal" music is really wonderful.

Silva suite, from second Moross compilation is also great presentation of this music.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Gorgeous score. Played that lp forever. (Though, as I recall, the lp has most of the music in the film.) As for the film itself, well, in retrospect it’s far too earnest for its own good. Mr. Tryon is clearly trying, but he never really rises above being a stolid cipher.
The whole picture is stolen by a scintillating Romy Schneider, whose character mysteriously disappears without explanation. She makes her scenes come alive.
THE CARDINAL was originally shown as a roadshow, complete with souvenir program, which occasionally appears on Ebay. There’s clearly a spot where the intermission was meant to be. But I have no idea if there were ever an Overture, Entr’acte, or Exit music. Since the film was clearly not a success from the beginning, roadshow presentation was cancelled.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   paul r   (Member)

Gorgeous score. Played that lp forever. (Though, as I recall, the lp has most of the music in the film.) As for the film itself, well, in retrospect it’s far too earnest for its own good. Mr. Tryon is clearly trying, but he never really rises above being a stolid cipher.
The whole picture is stolen by a scintillating Romy Schneider, whose character mysteriously disappears without explanation. She makes her scenes come alive.
THE CARDINAL was originally shown as a roadshow, complete with souvenir program, which occasionally appears on Ebay. There’s clearly a spot where the intermission was meant to be. But I have no idea if there were ever an Overture, Entr’acte, or Exit music. Since the film was clearly not a success from the beginning, roadshow presentation was cancelled.



The Cardinal played Roadshow in NYC at the DeMille Theater. Don't recall an Overture but did have an Intermission with Entr'acte and I believe Exit music. Have the souvenir program...a good one. Agree with what you say about the film as the music is glorious. The whole design of the movie is outstanding. The Kritzerland CD replicates the lp with better sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Gorgeous score. Played that lp forever. (Though, as I recall, the lp has most of the music in the film.) As for the film itself, well, in retrospect it’s far too earnest for its own good. Mr. Tryon is clearly trying, but he never really rises above being a stolid cipher.
The whole picture is stolen by a scintillating Romy Schneider, whose character mysteriously disappears without explanation. She makes her scenes come alive.
THE CARDINAL was originally shown as a roadshow, complete with souvenir program, which occasionally appears on Ebay. There’s clearly a spot where the intermission was meant to be. But I have no idea if there were ever an Overture, Entr’acte, or Exit music. Since the film was clearly not a success from the beginning, roadshow presentation was cancelled.



The Cardinal played Roadshow in NYC at the DeMille Theater. Don't recall an Overture but did have an Intermission with Entr'acte and I believe Exit music. Have the souvenir program...a good one. Agree with what you say about the film as the music is glorious. The whole design of the movie is outstanding. The Kritzerland CD replicates the lp with better sound.


The DVD includes the intermission music. I believe the old laser also included Overture, but it was a repeat of the intermission music, don't exactly remember.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   notkafkaesque   (Member)

On Youtube, this episode of "Hollywood and the Stars" is about the making of the film, THE CARDINAL. Interesting stuff, and at approx. 15'10" Jerome Moross makes a brief appearance, coaching John Huston to make the right piano moves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nnCq5msPhY


and that lovely Bernstein theme as well ...

NK

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

You truly are on a roll with your personal journey through the "greatest film music moments" of the Golden Age of soundtrack collecting! Keep it up, Ron.

What a great score, and Kritzerland's is its definitive release.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   Primo   (Member)

One of the truly great scores of the ’60s.

On a secondary note: I’ve always gotten a big kick out of Robert Morse – fresh from How to Succeed… –
in his vaudeville role in the film. Does anyone know if Moross wrote that tune?

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

On Youtube, this episode of "Hollywood and the Stars" is about the making of the film, THE CARDINAL. Interesting stuff, and at approx. 15'10" Jerome Moross makes a brief appearance, coaching John Huston to make the right piano moves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nnCq5msPhY



Wow, thanks for that tip. I've never seen Moross in motion before.

The Cardinal is a great score, and, I will rewatch the film when the time has come.
It's been decades I've seen it on TV once (never in a cinema).

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2021 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark R. Y.   (Member)

One of the truly great scores of the ’60s.

On a secondary note: I’ve always gotten a big kick out of Robert Morse – fresh from How to Succeed… –
in his vaudeville role in the film. Does anyone know if Moross wrote that tune?


What's funny about this scene is that Tom Tryon and two others are there not to enjoy the show but to wait for his sister Carol Lynley, whom they've been frantically searching for, to appear on stage. So it means they have to sit through the entirety of this excrescent number! big grin

IMDB credits the "Bobby" Morse song to Moross (music) and Al Stillman (lyrics).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2021 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

The theme from THE CARDINAL had lyrics put to it by Carolyn Leigh. The song, "Stay With Me" was recorded by Frank Sinatra and released on a 45rpm single on the Reprise label, arranged and conducted by Don Costa. Here is one of the renditions found on Youtube, note Sinatra's hymn-like approach to the piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cib-FikBn3s

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2021 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

On Youtube, this episode of "Hollywood and the Stars" is about the making of the film, THE CARDINAL. Interesting stuff, and at approx. 15'10" Jerome Moross makes a brief appearance, coaching John Huston to make the right piano moves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nnCq5msPhY


and that lovely Bernstein theme as well ...

NK


I really loved watching this. I enjoyed seeing and hearing Leon Shamroy talk about his work as cinematographer on the film. I also remembered that for the year 1963, Shamroy received two Oscar nominations for color cinematography -- for "The Cardinal" (which he lost) and for "Cleopatra" (which he won).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2021 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Was inspired to pull out the Warner DVD, which I'd never watched. Film has good period feel and interesting, if episodic, narrative. A nostalgia trip for those who remember the pre-Vatican II church. Tryon was fairly stolid. Compare Audrey Hepburn's powerful work in THE NUN'S STORY a few years earlier. Zinnemann knew how to dramatize inner spiritual conflict in a way that escapes Preminger. I did enjoy the wonderful performance by John Huston. This was the role that ignited his late-blossoming acting career. The Warner video has mushy, distorted sound. For the music I must go back to my audio discs.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2021 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   ThomasDSinclair   (Member)

On Youtube, this episode of "Hollywood and the Stars" is about the making of the film, THE CARDINAL. Interesting stuff, and at approx. 15'10" Jerome Moross makes a brief appearance, coaching John Huston to make the right piano moves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nnCq5msPhY


and that lovely Bernstein theme as well ...

NK


I really loved watching this. I enjoyed seeing and hearing Leon Shamroy talk about his work as cinematographer on the film. I also remembered that for the year 1963, Shamroy received two Oscar nominations for color cinematography -- for "The Cardinal" (which he lost) and for "Cleopatra" (which he won).


I was 12 or so at the time of that Oscars telecast. Jimmy Stewart presented the cinematography award. After reading Shamroy's two nominations back to back, Stewart paused and said "Gee. That's five years out of a man's life right there."

 
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