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 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

I don’t really have anything new to contribute here, but I received the new edition yesterday and just want to say that it never sounded better. Such a quintessential 80s masterpiece of scoring!

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

just compared my old 1995 intrada with the 2015 edition, the old one sounds a lot better and punchier ( and compared the old Souther Cross CD too, also sounding better than the 1995 version ) , so i am very tempted to quadriple dip ....

but already triple dip with spacecamp ..... i need more storage room

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2022 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   richsto   (Member)

Can’t comment on the older versions but this one sounds quite good…hard to fault.

And I forgot what a most outstanding score it is, can’t believe I waited this long to pick this up. Wonderful. Thanks Intrada!

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2022 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

I've taken a chill pill before I posted (and I hope it shows) but, um, how are people's back inlay cards looking?

My disc arrived today and half of Safan's name is on the spine and half on the back cover (along with most of the film title). I don't know if it's a rogue bad egg or they're all like that. But currently it's the worst looking spine I own (out of thousands). It's badly printed, not just badly 'in-layed'.

Anyway, just asking. I'm totally zen about it, honest.

Haven't listened to the disc yet.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2022 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   richsto   (Member)

My spine label is slightly uneven and a bit “fuzzy” but nowhere near what you describe. Disc and content are wonderful….hope you find your listening experience as good as mine. smile

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2022 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

My spine label is slightly uneven and a bit “fuzzy” but nowhere near what you describe. Disc and content are wonderful….hope you find your listening experience as good as mine. smile

Yeah, mine is fuzzy too. It was looking like a bootleg/photocopy even before I saw the spine was in the wrong place. It even reads like a bootleg.

Anyway, I think I'm now psychologically ready to "join Craig Safan... to defend the Frontiere."

 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

God, this release is a disaster zone.

The audio is terrible too. My disc looks perfectly unblemished, so I'm pretty sure this is a problem on all copies.

Listen to Track 8 around the 35 second mark. I've tried it on 3 players now. Crackling and distortion on all of them, and the digital rip.

 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Listen to Track 8 around the 35 second mark. I've tried it on 3 players now. Crackling and distortion on all of them, and the digital rip.

Hadn't noticed this before, but there is definitely a "cellophane crinkling" sound there

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2022 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   cshaneyfelt   (Member)


Listen to Track 8 around the 35 second mark. I've tried it on 3 players now. Crackling and distortion on all of them, and the digital rip.


I'm admittedly not an expert, but it just sounds like a little noise from the original master tape. I've heard that very sound before on other recordings. For example, it's on the cue "The Mountain" from Goldsmith's Total Recall. On the new Starfighter album, it only lasts a second and otherwise the rest of the cue is flawlessly clear and crisp. As others have pointed out, the sound on the new Starfighter album is absolutely stunning.

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2022 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

On the new Starfighter album, it only lasts a second and otherwise the rest of the cue is flawlessly clear and crisp. As others have pointed out, the sound on the new Starfighter album is absolutely stunning.

The audio glitch actually runs for 20 seconds on a track less than a minute long. The 'second' is just the worst of it, right at the middle.

You would likely have to know you are listening to a defective recording for all of it to stand out. But certainly the worst part should intrude on even a casual listen.

I have no idea how any of it sounds beyond Track 8.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2022 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

So... I've just bought the previous Intrada Last Starfighter 2015 release on the secondary market (at more than I paid for the 'upgrade') to make up for this poor release. To get a CD case for my shelf at least, and an uniterrupted clear audio presentation of the score. No such luck.

I really don't know what to say at this point. I know the pile-on with labels isn't popular, but when is it counter-productive to say nothing at all? It would have seemed annoyingly anal if I'd contributed to a post on Intrada's last Safan release (just two months ago) to say the spine wasn't properly aligned, and they've even got the artist name wrong. But then they just make these errors again WRIT LARGE the next time. And throw sound problems on top.

It's clear Intrada didn't properly listen to all of Starfighter either in 2015 or 2022 (even when doing an audio 'correction disc').

2015's disc has horrid sonic distortion not on the 1995 release (it would have taken seconds to fix).

2022's disc has horrid sonic distortion not on the 2015 release (again, seconds to fix).

I haven't listened to the 2015 disc beyond the distortion (end of track 2).

For just a touch of balance, I saw some other copies of the 2022 disc being sold on the secondary market. Their spines are not nearly as bad as mine, which appears partially on the back cover like this:

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But considering the booklet, the inlay and the CD are all complete fails - and on a 'corrective' disc to boot - perhaps Intrada should give some thought to fixing this.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 12:25 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

But considering the booklet, the inlay and the CD are all complete fails - and on a 'corrective' disc to boot - perhaps Intrada should give some thought to fixing this.

Has anyone contacted Intrada directly?

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 2:01 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



2015's disc has horrid sonic distortion not on the 1995 release (it would have taken seconds to fix).



Where is the horrid sonic distortion on the 2015 release? Do you have a time marker?

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

Where is the horrid sonic distortion on the 2015 release? Do you have a time marker?

Like I said, I didn't listen beyond Track Two (and I'm not vouching for Track One).

You can have two time markers. And I only caught the first as it just happened before I had time to move it forward to 1:40.

0:02
1:40

This track appears on the 1995 release without these issues.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 2:36 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

At this point, I think I'm happy to keep the first/original expanded edition - the only one I have - which doubled the old LP length and has great sonic punch.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Where is the horrid sonic distortion on the 2015 release? Do you have a time marker?

Like I said, I didn't listen beyond Track Two (and I'm not vouching for Track One).

You can have two time markers. And I only caught the first as it just happened before I had time to move it forward to 1:40.

0:02
1:40

This track appears on the 1995 release without these issues.


Okay, I can hear what you mean; at 1:40 that sounds more like a session sound, perhaps breathing or some short friction, not like a digital glitch or distortion. That seems more like a natural sound in any case. 0:02 I can't say what it is for sure, it's clearly audible, could be a digital glitch, could be something else.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 3:13 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

At this point, I think I'm happy to keep the first/original expanded edition - the only one I have - which doubled the old LP length and has great sonic punch.

The 1980s Southern Cross CD and 1995 Intrada CD knock the pants off the two which have followed.

They have tighter presentations, no sonic bugs, and two of Safan's original songs in the case of Southern Cross. The first disc has only 25 minutes of score but every note is a banger like a Greatest Hits.

Both of these releases also have liner notes written by Safan himself (from the time, then reflections from a decade later). The later two releases give this space instead to Intrada's producer who makes incorrect claims of sonic improvement (2015), then finishes by mentioning the wrong composer (2022).

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 3:23 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)



Okay, I can hear what you mean; at 1:40 that sounds more like a session sound, perhaps breathing or some short friction, not like a digital glitch or distortion. That seems more like a natural sound in any case. 0:02 I can't say what it is for sure, it's clearly audible, could be a digital glitch, could be something else.


I would count 0:05/6 as a natural sound. Made in the room.

The others are errors Intrada introduced to the set in 2015. They had already released this track 20 years earlier without these glitches. And in superior sound to boot (per the consensus which Intrada agrees with - I haven't compared both releases personally).

Bottom line... Intrada didn't listen to this before they put it out. Not in 2015 nor in 2022. In both cases they went out with digital glitches on tracks they had otherwise spotless versions of sitting right there.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

I’m sorry, but for clarification are these time stamps for the “Alex Dreams” track?

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2022 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

I’m sorry, but for clarification are these time stamps for the “Alex Dreams” track?

Yes. The 2015 Intrada release (MAF7139). Not their 1995 or 2022 releases which have the same cue as track two.

 
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