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 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I know this was a part of the Elfman Burton Box, but I didn't buy it since it was crazy pricey and I'm not collector enough to shell out that much cash for five scores I'm interested in.

Now, La-La-Land released an expanded Batman and Batman Returns around the same time as the box so might the same be possible for Pee-Wee? Anyone know?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

It's been a while but I swear M.V. chimed in and said this was one of the titles Varese owned in perp.

(Though the VS release is a re-recording. Is there some kind of loophole here?)

It would be nice to get the complete score - I had to rip a few cues from the DVD isolated score to compliment the Elfman/Burton release (and I usually never do this).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Varese IS a rerecording and one would think that would mean they don't own the OST....especially as it's from 1985.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Varese IS a rerecording and one would think that would mean they don't own the OST....especially as it's from 1985.

Its a weird deal but they have "soundtrack rights" on this title.

That being said, I wouldn't do Pee Wee now that the box set is out. Its basically all there. Its a moot point.

Planet of the Apes on the other hand. . .


MV

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Planet of the Apes on the other hand. . .

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Is the PEE WEE score that's on the Elfman box the actual original soundtrack, or a re-release of the re-recording? If it's the original film tracks, how's the sound and is it complete?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Is the PEE WEE score that's on the Elfman box the actual original soundtrack, or a re-release of the re-recording? If it's the original film tracks, how's the sound and is it complete?

According to the liner notes, it's assembled per Elfman's instructions. It's the original score but features the re-recorded versions of five tracks ("Stolen Bike/Lonely Walk," "Hitchhike," "Simone," "Dino Dreams," and "Studio Chase") within the score, with the film versions of those tracks tacked on at the end.

In addition, "The Park Ride" includes Pee-Wee's "La la la" dialogue (Elfman says he liked it) and there are a few short pieces not present, including the brief piece that plays as Pee-Wee slides down the pole, the establishing shot of the house, the cop talking to Pee-Wee after he's fainted in the bike shop, Pee-Wee's arrival at the truck stop, the first sighting of Andy, the establishing shot of WB studios, Pee-Wee's walk on the lot, and the beach party/Christmas music that plays during the studio chase.

But it sounds great, at least to my amateur ears.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2011 - 9:09 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Varese IS a rerecording and one would think that would mean they don't own the OST....especially as it's from 1985.

Its a weird deal but they have "soundtrack rights" on this title.

That being said, I wouldn't do Pee Wee now that the box set is out. Its basically all there. Its a moot point.

Planet of the Apes on the other hand. . .


MV


Sad face. But thanks for your honesty.

I'll just have to become rich and purchase a used box on Ebay . . .

:'(

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Is the PEE WEE score that's on the Elfman box the actual original soundtrack, or a re-release of the re-recording? If it's the original film tracks, how's the sound and is it complete?

It's the actual soundtrack recording. The rerecording tracks are also on there. The order is a bit screwy (i.e. Elfman ordered the tracks so that some of the rerecording tracks play in the album sequence, with the film versions of those tracks tacked on as bonus tracks at the end)

01. Main Title / Bike Race (02.54)
02. The Breakfast Machine (02:39)
03. The Bike (01:41)
04. The Park Ride (01:18)
05. The Mall (01:11)
06. Music Shop And Beyond (01:04)
07. Stolen Bike / Lonely Walk (01:41)
08. Francis' House (00:34)
09. The Bath (01:31)
10. The Basement (02:13)
11. Hitchhike (00:57)
12. Edsel Over The Edge (01:21)
13. Simone's Theme (01:37)
14. Dinosaur Dream (00:48)
15. Andy Chase (00:50)
16. Alamo (00:19)
17. Bus Station / Simone (01:04)
18. Clown Dream (02:00)
19. Studio Chase (01:24)
20. Pet Shop (02:11)
21. The Drive-In (02:03)
22. Finale (03:06)
23. Large Marge (00:52)
24. The Fork (00:27)
25. Rain / Fortune (01:38)
26. Andy Chase 2 (00:25)
27. Cowboy Pee-Wee (00:33)
28. Andy And The Bull (00:26)
29. Stolen Bike / Lonely Walk (Film Version) (01:39)
30. Hitchhike (Film Version) (00:57)
31. Simone (Film Version) (02:08)
32. Dino Dreams (Film Version) (00:47)
33. Studio Chase (Film Version) (03:58)

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I've checked and listened to the stuff that was left off and I must say, I'm a completest, but they made the right decision on this one. I made a compilation of the COMPLETE score with the extra tracks that weren't on it and it throws the flow of the score off quite a bit. And literally it's like a couple of minutes if that that are left off. Two tracks I would have liked the New Day cue towards the beginning and the WB studio :30 cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

I agree. The boxset version is a perfect release of the score. The few minutes left off are really not worth bothering with. I also think Elfman made a good decision when he included some of the re-recorded tracks. Plus with the original film versions also included it's a win-win.

A great release and it's had a lot of play since I got the box. I'm even coming around to the inclusion of the "la la" bits.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

This is exactly what I was worried might happen thanks to this box. Labels are now put off releasing these scores seperately because "it's already been released" but not all of us could afford to drop half a grand on this monstrosity. I do want the music, but I can't afford it. Thank heavens for La-La Land's releases of the BATMAN scores and the upcoming PLANET OF THE APES, but will I or my fellow paupers be able to ever get an expanded release of PEE-WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, BEETLEJUICE, EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, MARS ATTACKS!, SLEEPY HOLLOW, BIG FISH, CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY, CORPSE BRIDE or ALICE IN WONDERLAND? Possibly not as "they've already been released." But released in such a way that only the rich or the mad can afford them.

This is a rather worrying trend in general with more mainstream music. See for examples the ludicrous "Immersion Edition's" of select Pink Floyd albums coming later this year at £90.00 a pop, ensuring all but the most well-off Floyd fans will have to get the much cheaper "Experience" versions and miss out on some of the content. But they may go down in price eventually, as has happened recently with the DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN Springsteen box which was originally about £90.00 but can now be bought for around £50.00. The chances of the Elfman/Burton box decreasing in price are as slim as Jack Skellington.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I agree. The boxset version is a perfect release of the score. The few minutes left off are really not worth bothering with. I also think Elfman made a good decision when he included some of the re-recorded tracks. Plus with the original film versions also included it's a win-win.

A great release and it's had a lot of play since I got the box. I'm even coming around to the inclusion of the "la la" bits.


Perfectly put my friend! I too was VERY happy that they at least included the originals of the five cues they used the rerecording. On my own playlist I only used ALL the original tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

This is exactly what I was worried might happen thanks to this box. Labels are now put off releasing these scores seperately because "it's already been released" but not all of us could afford to drop half a grand on this monstrosity. I do want the music, but I can't afford it.

Here, here!

The most expensive set I've ever bought was the Beatles' Mono Masters, which was only 2/5 the price of this thing. Other than that was the Ron Jones box, which I love. In both cases I literally had to quadruple check my finances to make sure I had enough elbow room to make the purchase. As for this set, I'm not loaded so it's not going to happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   MOsdtks   (Member)

This is exactly what I was worried might happen thanks to this box. Labels are now put off releasing these scores seperately because "it's already been released" but not all of us could afford to drop half a grand on this monstrosity. I do want the music, but I can't afford it.

Here, here!

The most expensive set I've ever bought was the Beatles' Mono Masters, which was only 2/5 the price of this thing. Other than that was the Ron Jones box, which I love. In both cases I literally had to quadruple check my finances to make sure I had enough elbow room to make the purchase. As for this set, I'm not loaded so it's not going to happen.


Just curious but wouldn't the label make more money if the music was available for download. For those of us who want some of the music and not all the superfluous crap.
With me its not soo much a matter finances as it is not wanting to be ripped off smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2011 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

This is exactly what I was worried might happen thanks to this box. Labels are now put off releasing these scores seperately because "it's already been released" but not all of us could afford to drop half a grand on this monstrosity. I do want the music, but I can't afford it. Thank heavens for La-La Land's releases of the BATMAN scores and the upcoming PLANET OF THE APES, but will I or my fellow paupers be able to ever get an expanded release of PEE-WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, BEETLEJUICE, EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, MARS ATTACKS!, SLEEPY HOLLOW, BIG FISH, CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY, CORPSE BRIDE or ALICE IN WONDERLAND? Possibly not as "they've already been released." But released in such a way that only the rich or the mad can afford them.

This is a rather worrying trend in general with more mainstream music. See for examples the ludicrous "Immersion Edition's" of select Pink Floyd albums coming later this year at £90.00 a pop, ensuring all but the most well-off Floyd fans will have to get the much cheaper "Experience" versions and miss out on some of the content. But they may go down in price eventually, as has happened recently with the DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN Springsteen box which was originally about £90.00 but can now be bought for around £50.00. The chances of the Elfman/Burton box decreasing in price are as slim as Jack Skellington.



Couldn't agree more. Don't even get me started on the upcoming Floyd stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   jedijones77   (Member)

I can't believe there's still no release of this score for people who didn't want to spend $500 to get it in a bundle with other stuff. There are a lot of Pee-Wee fans who don't need the scores to all those other movies. This is also one of the most important scores in this box for film score history as the very first Burton/Elfman collaboration. I don't care if La La Land, Varese, Intrada or Quartet puts it out, but we really need a full release of this score with all the missing bits restored and the dialogue removed from the Park Ride track. The old Varese rerecording is totally inadequate, woefully incomplete and just sounds weak, slow and washed out compared to the film tracks. Everyone deserves to be able to own the fantastic film tracks on CD in an affordable version.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

I believe Varese has "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" in perpetuity, and that includes the film tracks even though those have yet to appear on a Varese release. If the Elfman-Burton "Music Box" had never been produced, this score would be in the same situation Rozsa's "Eye of the Needle" score is in now (i.e. Varese releasing their own re-recording every few years and not bothering with the film tracks, even though they're the only ones who can release them). But at least the "Music Box" release has nearly all of the film tracks (with the key missing cue being the 'mock score' for the drive-in movie toward the end of the film).

This is one of the greatest film scores of all-time, in my opinion. The 20-minute re-recorded "suite" that Varese produced and released is gorgeously arranged and performed, but it's missing an **enormous** amount of great music. It seems like a no brainer for Varese to do their own Deluxe Edition of "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure," but that hasn't happened yet.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2020 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Oh How I tried to get some movement on this when I worked at Varèse. I think this would sell great and it fits nicely on one LP. Always though too a picture vinyl with Large Marge the person on the front then the flip side have her animated crazy face.

 
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