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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Regarding this image of a globe with bands around it, that hung for years in the lobby of McMann & Tate...



Is it a famous painting?

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

I isolated the painting and straightened the perspective before feeding the image to Tineye, but no matches. It is obviously an illustration of an armillary sphere. I've seen uncounted numbers of such illustrations from old astronomy books and maps, but I couldn't tell you exactly which one this is. And this is more than just a sketch of the device—it is decoratively "illuminated" all around, probably the front plate from a book.

"Famous"? I doubt it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I isolated the painting and straightened the perspective before feeding the image to Tineye, but no matches. It is obviously an illustration of an armillary sphere. I've seen uncounted numbers of such illustrations from old astronomy books and maps, but I couldn't tell you exactly which one this is. And this is more than just a sketch of the device—it is decoratively "illuminated" all around, probably the front plate from a book.

"Famous"? I doubt it.


Thanks, Metryq. I should have known you'd have tools for this job. And you knew what it's a picture of, whereas I don't think I ever heard the term armillary sphere (and I'm off to Wiki).

I'm reminded of a question that came up among highly dedicated model builders when the Moebius Jupiter 2 kit was new. They wanted to know where the solar system painting came from so they could replicate it to scale:



And finally they nailed it. It was a cropped page from the Space Exploration chapter of a particular edition of the Rand McNally World Atlas.

I'd sure get a kick out of identifying the McMann & Tate print.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 4:44 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

Penultimate graphic on the page:
http://zodiacal.com/attic/



It appears to be the work of cartographer Andreas Cellarius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Cellarius

from the star atlas Harmonia Macrocosmica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonia_Macrocosmica

EDIT:
Bigger image (available as poster)
http://shop.transmissionatelier.com/harmoniamacrocosmicaplate11-p-119.html?zenid=6gmd7dgrmqn77lvcrelk1vjv83

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

You beat me to it! I found this image, also crediting Andreas Cellarius



I have wanted to know what that thing was for 35 years. I made a sketch of it from the TV show as a kid. Five minutes with Metryq, problem solved. And I'm saving that bigger image you pointed to. Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

And the full works, with translations, if you are interested:

http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/cellarius/cellarius_plates.htm

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

And the full works, with translations, if you are interested:

http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/cellarius/cellarius_plates.htm


PS—Semi-famous, then, depending on where one finds one's art.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

And the full works, with translations, if you are interested

Well this is just an embarrassment of riches. It's staggering what you can find on the Net these days.



PS—Semi-famous, then, depending on where one finds one's art.

On the Internet, it seems that every image will be famous for 15 minutes. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

Son of a gun! Believe it or not, I was running George Pal's 1960 The Time Machine in the background while reading the forum. The Time Traveler briefly stops to look at an armillary sphere-like thing in the museum before Weena pulls him on to the "talking rings." I've seen that a hundred times and never gave it any thought, then Zap's post about the Cellarius illustration focussed my attention on it...



and I knew I had seen it before. Same studio, just four years earlier—if Robby, the ship costumes, sidearms, and other props can be scattered all over other productions for years following, I don't see why the C-57D's navigational tank from Forbidden Planet should be immune.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

That's awesome. I wonder if an art-minded art director took his inspiration from a classical astronomy book.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Very cool, indeed! I haven't had the 35 years of obsession with this art that Zap has, but I was still quite interested in everything here. Metryq, you rock!

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Yeah, I just bookmarked Tineye. Metryq knows his way around.

 
 Posted:   Feb 29, 2012 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Could this be the same globe? It's hard to tell how big it is because this WRATH OF KHAN set uses some forced perspective:

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2012 - 2:49 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

It does not appear to be the same item. However, it does look like this celestial globe toy:

http://www.scientificsonline.com/starship-earth-astronomical-globe.html

Either a very large one was borrowed from a museum for the production, or it is a forced perspective foreground model, as you suggested.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2012 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

Here's the same globe in a Twilight Zone episode called "Third Planet From The Sun:"



This episode also used an exterior spaceship set that it seems likely was re-used in other episodes:


in "To Serve Man:"


possibly same set but altered in "On Thursday We Leave For Home:"

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2012 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

Nice photos, Montag. The first photo also features the power gauges from the Krell machine. And I think the circular screen may be from THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL.

The other photos are unquestionably the landing gear from the C-57D. (The C-57D appeared in name only in the FIREFLY movie sequel, SERENITY, as the call letters of the crashed rescue vessel. The same designation is on a smaller craft that Jayne inspects.)

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2020 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Son of a gun! Believe it or not, I was running George Pal's 1960 The Time Machine in the background while reading the forum. The Time Traveler briefly stops to look at an armillary sphere-like thing in the museum before Weena pulls him on to the "talking rings." I've seen that a hundred times and never gave it any thought, then Zap's post about the Cellarius illustration focussed my attention on it...



and I knew I had seen it before. Same studio, just four years earlier—if Robby, the ship costumes, sidearms, and other props can be scattered all over other productions for years following, I don't see why the C-57D's navigational tank from Forbidden Planet should be immune.



Get out of here! I just watched The Time Machine and was going to comment on this and found this page! I also noticed one of the "futuristic" cops or army personal in 1966 was wearing a D-57-D crew uniform.

Anyone else noticed how much the interior of the Jupiter 2 top deck is taken from D-57-C's bridge design?

 
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