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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 1:21 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

I like the early Alexander Courage scores for the series very much. A surprisingly bleak and eerie approach of outer space scoring. Perhaps a realistic one? Somewhat like Goldsmith's later approach for the first Alien score. Definitely unusual for an action TV series in the 60s.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Someone (I don't remember who) mentioned in this thread or the other thread some time ago, that they were going to work on putting together playlists for every single episode of how the music actually appeared. This seemed like a monumental undertaking. I'm curious if anyone here has undertaken this challenge. As familiar as many of us are about the episodes, it would be kind of nice to experience the music (original and tracked) as heard in the episode.

It wasn't me, but I did put together a "TV version" of The Corbomite Maneuver. Some episodes would be a giant size pain in the ass to do, especially in the first season. I toyed with doing Balance of Terror, but the edits are not only all over the place, but they are almost unlistenable on their own. Just some of the combat sequences are horribly cut and pasted. They work well enough behind the visuals and sound effects, but on their own, they make no musical sense. However, total props to the music editor who took miles of tape and did that stuff by hand. On a computer, it's child's play, but it takes soooo much time.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Someone actually did this for all the tracked episode and at least a few scored episodes like "Amok Time" that included music not by the main episode composer. They then posted the whole thing on youtube within a year or so after we put the TOS box set on sale. We had to contact the guy to take the music down. He actually wanted us to use his edits to reissue the music on CD (and pay him for it I presume) and seemed kind of miffed that we wouldn't consider doing this. It was an amazing amount of work and kind of an insane project...yet for all the anal-retentive attention to detail, he would get some incredibly obvious things wrong, like in "City on the Edge of Forever" he used, at the opening AND at the climax, the SLOW version of Steiner's "Stand-off" music from "Charlie X" instead of the more intense library version, which kind of completely destroyed the whole point.
His perspective was that he had bought the set and could do whatever he wanted with the music, including distributing it to potentially millions of people for free on youtube. And we still have people doing stuff like this constantly if you ever wonder how tough it is to run a soundtrack label...

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I like the early Alexander Courage scores for the series very much. A surprisingly bleak and eerie approach of outer space scoring. Perhaps a realistic one? Somewhat like Goldsmith's later approach for the first Alien score. Definitely unusual for an action TV series in the 60s.

As I am apparently the Official Man Trap Basher the funny thing is this: I consider Where No Man Has Gone Before and The Naked Time among my favorites. Like, top 5. Where No Man is top 2. (They shift.) To me the sin of The Man Trap isn't that it's bleak but that it's boring.

(It's heartbreaking that the glorious recording of Where No Man is not on Spotify / Amazon / etc. even though the rest of the set - minus also The Cage, Amok Time, and Doomsday Machine - is. But the rights are the rights.)

Someone actually did this for all the tracked episode and at least a few scored episodes like "Amok Time" that included music not by the main episode composer...

I remember that. A staggering effort. But I certainly understand why it would be taken down.

I tried to do Balance of Terror. Couldn't manage it. I might do better now, now that I'm more familiar with the set. But that's a serious attention to detail. Of course the same can be said for Neil and the rest of the gang identifying which tracks were which in the first place.

It would be nice if there was a list, but I also understand the reasons that there isn't.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I recreated a few cues that I always liked, but never tried a full episode reproduction again. For example the finale of All Our Yesterdays was beautiful, so I made that cue. Putting Mudd's Perfidy at the start of Mirror, Mirror and so on. Because of some crossfades, a 100% accurate 79 episode recreation is impossible. Maybe you'd get 98% ish. But man, I have better things to do with my life. big grin

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I kinda missed the 'Countdown' cue from CITY)dada dada dum...
Used in the scene where Spock is trying to repair the recorder in time.
Who wrote that, Steiner?

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

Someone (I don't remember who) mentioned in this thread or the other thread some time ago, that they were going to work on putting together playlists for every single episode of how the music actually appeared. This seemed like a monumental undertaking. I'm curious if anyone here has undertaken this challenge. As familiar as many of us are about the episodes, it would be kind of nice to experience the music (original and tracked) as heard in the episode.

Yeah, I have been crazy enough to actually do it. But it's taken me forever to do! I started doing it back in fall of '13 and started with 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' and am still only on 'Space Seed' now! I edit the cues in Audacity so they are cut up/re-edited and sound exactly how they were tracked in each episode. I actually haven't done an episode in nearly a year, but I really want to finish season 1 so I can get to season 2. Lol

Yeah, I am crazy. But as you said, I love every episode and enjoy hearing each one the way it was heard.

And no, I am not the guy who posted stuff on Youtube.


**side note** I remember going on one of the Trek site forums when I first started my project and discovered the missing cue from 'Miri', which ended up being library music. I don't think I would have ever really found if I wasn't doing this tracking of every episode though. I was elated when La-La-Land released the follow-up 50th album and included the missing cues that were MIA on the original box set release!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

My hat is off to you!

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I kinda missed the 'Countdown' cue from CITY)dada dada dum...
Used in the scene where Spock is trying to repair the recorder in time.
Who wrote that, Steiner?


I think that's Chess Game. I know it's Charlie X. Yes, Steiner.

If Charlie X isn't the best Trek score it's certainly the most definitive.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I kinda missed the 'Countdown' cue from CITY)dada dada dum...
Used in the scene where Spock is trying to repair the recorder in time.
Who wrote that, Steiner?


I think that's Chess Game. I know it's Charlie X. Yes, Steiner.

If Charlie X isn't the best Trek score it's certainly the most definitive.


Nope.
It's a cue often used when time is running out and desperate measures need to be taken

It's a 5 note repeating pattern
Dotted eight notes that go dada dada dun.
Musically it would be notated as 1+2+ 3(hold for two beats)

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I kinda missed the 'Countdown' cue from CITY)dada dada dum...
Used in the scene where Spock is trying to repair the recorder in time.
Who wrote that, Steiner?


I think that's Chess Game. I know it's Charlie X. Yes, Steiner.

If Charlie X isn't the best Trek score it's certainly the most definitive.


Nope.
It's a cue often used when time is running out and desperate measures need to be taken

It's a 5 note repeating pattern
Dotted eight notes that go dada dada dun.
Musically it would be notated as 1+2+ 3(hold for two beats)


My mistake. Zap Sam. Assuming we're talking about when Spock first learns about Edith's fate before Kirk arrives.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I kinda missed the 'Countdown' cue from CITY)dada dada dum...
Used in the scene where Spock is trying to repair the recorder in time.
Who wrote that, Steiner?


I think that's Chess Game. I know it's Charlie X. Yes, Steiner.

If Charlie X isn't the best Trek score it's certainly the most definitive.


Nope.
It's a cue often used when time is running out and desperate measures need to be taken

It's a 5 note repeating pattern
Dotted eight notes that go dada dada dun.
Musically it would be notated as 1+2+ 3(hold for two beats)


My mistake. Zap Sam. Assuming we're talking about when Spock first learns about Edith's fate before Kirk arrives.


It's a scene with the time records device . .so sounds like you have it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Yes, it's "Zap Sam"--originally written to play as Charlie is struggling to use his feet to sweep crewman Sam to the floor in the gym (on a shot initially focused on their feet). Steiner also did one or two library variations of that music at different tempos.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

His perspective was that he had bought the set and could do whatever he wanted with the music, including distributing it to potentially millions of people for free on youtube. And we still have people doing stuff like this constantly if you ever wonder how tough it is to run a soundtrack label...


I'm surprised youtube doesn't have a direct method for copyright holders to report violations. Maybe they do, for big studios, and the boutique soundtrack labels haven't been told. You should try to inquire, hard as it is to get personal attention from an internet giant.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

His perspective was that he had bought the set and could do whatever he wanted with the music, including distributing it to potentially millions of people for free on youtube. And we still have people doing stuff like this constantly if you ever wonder how tough it is to run a soundtrack label...


I'm surprised youtube doesn't have a direct method for copyright holders to report violations. Maybe they do, for big studios, and the boutique soundtrack labels haven't been told. You should try to inquire, hard as it is to get personal attention from an internet giant.


They do. (Although like you said maybe not for the small labels.) There are also circumstances where the owners can leave their music up and get paid for it. I had a video pulled and then put back because Google had apparently worked out a license. (I may have this all mixed up, of course.)

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Yes, it's "Zap Sam"--originally written to play as Charlie is struggling to use his feet to sweep crewman Sam to the floor in the gym (on a shot initially focused on their feet). Steiner also did one or two library variations of that music at different tempos.

The cue in question doesn't appear on the suite Steiner conducted for Varese
e
????

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Yes, it's "Zap Sam"--originally written to play as Charlie is struggling to use his feet to sweep crewman Sam to the floor in the gym (on a shot initially focused on their feet). Steiner also did one or two library variations of that music at different tempos.

The cue in question doesn't appear on the suite Steiner conducted for Varese
e
????


https://music.amazon.com/albums/B00LM13DAA?trackAsin=B00LM13P08&ref=dm_sh_0dea-5d0c-dmcp-8e78-8eb01&musicTerritory=US&marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Track 5.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

D'Oh!!!!!!###


Ok.
Next question.
Thanks!


Brm

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Re; CITY

how do they 'remove and replace' music from.a long completed episode?
I. Know how dialogue can be replaced ,it's recorded on a separate track.
V
But music and sound effects are married.
Do they rerecord sfx?

Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2019 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Re; CITY

how do they 'remove and replace' music from.a long completed episode?
I. Know how dialogue can be replaced ,it's recorded on a separate track.
V
But music and sound effects are married.
Do they rerecord sfx?

Thanks.


No they have split tracks: dialogue, music, FX.

Lukas

 
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