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 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

I`ve watched Chain Reaction at the weekend for the first time and was really impressed by some of the action material that is sadly missing on the typical 90s 30 minute album which is a bit boring IMO. That`s why I never liked the score. Until last weekend.
That would make a great complete edition. Maybe on Lalaland someday ?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

I`ve watched Chain Reaction at the weekend for the first time and was really impressed by some of the action material that is sadly missing on the typical 90s 30 minute album which is a bit boring IMO. That`s why I never liked the score. Until last weekend.
That would make a great complete edition. Maybe on Lalaland someday ?



I like your thinking.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Me too. I hate when good scores get slapped around because of their album presentation. Just because the album doesn't have all the good stuff doesn't mean the writing was bad. It was the selecting. Star Trek III was a huge example of this until just a year ago. I remember people saying that Star Trek II trumped it in every way, but I knew that the score as written was phenomenal. Now we've got proof on CD. Blamo.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I`ve watched Chain Reaction at the weekend for the first time and was really impressed by some of the action material that is sadly missing on the typical 90s 30 minute album which is a bit boring IMO. That`s why I never liked the score. Until last weekend.
That would make a great complete edition. Maybe on Lalaland someday ?


I like your thinking.



As do I. smile

Unfortunately, I think this is one of those titles that's owned by Varese Sarabande in perp.

My long-standing question is this: why couldn't one of the other labels (namely LLL) make some kind of deal with Varese? Is it any different than negotiating with another label like WEA or EMI/Capitol, just like Lukas/MV/Roger & Doug/etc. do every day?

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I'll bet you the skin off my butt that Varese will release a Deluxe Edition. I love ICE CHASE. That ALONE is worth the price of the original cd.

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

People saying "in perp" really grosses me out.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

People saying "in perp" really grosses me out.

Sorry about that. I guess I read it on here once and it stuck with me. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

Goldsmith's album assemblages were often subpar. Many of the "inferior" Goldsmith scores of the 90s would have been better received with a more comprehensive album presentation; Chain Reaction is no exception.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2011 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

There are probably 20 emails in the bottom of the Varese inbox from 'the other guys'
begging Varese to license out expansions of US MARSHALLS, STARSHIP TROOPERS, CHAIN
REACTION,etc,etc,etc

CHAIN is not top drawer JG, but, as usual, hearing the full thing, and that amazing
bridge chase (hello Jeff Bond, where the hell are you!?!?), would score my 20 bucks.....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2011 - 3:29 AM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

Counterpoint, have you been watching german private TV on Saturday evening? I saw Chain Reaction too but couldn´t watch it as I was getting sad - it always was one of my favourite Goldsmith scores and it just made me sad to hear his scoring techniques again together with the movie, it just reminded me that something like this is gone today.

It´s not a perfect score - the synth guitar can get a bit tedious - but it´s a really solid score: its cold heart is at the right place, the synths are sounding not that dated, it flows nicely and has some great suspense and action music. I played it up and down when I got it on CD 15 years ago... so many memories connected to it. I´d buy an expanded edition anytime.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2011 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   MikeP2   (Member)

CHAIN is not top drawer JG, but, as usual, hearing the full thing, and that amazing
bridge chase (hello Jeff Bond, where the hell are you!?!?), would score my 20 bucks.....


Yeah this is mid to lower level JG - at least the exisitng CD ( except the Ice Chase track ) feels like auto-pilot...but that bridge chase , WOW, is just great stuff...amazing that it had to be left off the original disc. The score isn't one that cries out for an expanded CD, but, like Executive Decision, there are a few choice bits that should see the light of day but probably never will frown

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2011 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Some scores are better as "expanded" rather than complete. A bunch of JG scores from the 90's fit this category. Chain Reaction, Along Came a Spider, US Marshals, and Executive Decision were WAY too short at 30 minutes and some of the best stuff was left off in favor of quieter, less active cues. The result was that a number of action movie soundtracks were lacking a lot of action music.

Really great expanded albums could be made from those once release as 30 minute CDs. Chain Reaction would be really sweet at like 50 minutes. But I'll take a complete score too. :-)

I happen to love his 90's action work. I've said it before; his music of this period suffers only in comparison to his earlier work. Placed among the general soundtrack population of the time, they were top shelf compositions and even his "less complex" cues were still more complex than music from others. I never compare Goldsmith to Goldsmith. I don't see the point. I enjoy each era.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2011 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Some scores are better as "expanded" rather than complete. A bunch of JG scores from the 90's fit this category. Chain Reaction, Along Came a Spider, US Marshals, and Executive Decision were WAY too short at 30 minutes and some of the best stuff was left off in favor of quieter, less active cues. The result was that a number of action movie soundtracks were lacking a lot of action music.

Really great expanded albums could be made from those once release as 30 minute CDs. Chain Reaction would be really sweet at like 50 minutes. But I'll take a complete score too. :-)

I happen to love his 90's action work. I've said it before; his music of this period suffers only in comparison to his earlier work. Placed among the general soundtrack population of the time, they were top shelf compositions and even his "less complex" cues were still more complex than music from others. I never compare Goldsmith to Goldsmith. I don't see the point. I enjoy each era.


I agree wholeheartedly with all of this. Some of these scores weren't really fantastic back when they first came out, but now that we're stuck in this musical rut, you listen to them and they all sound like Star Wars.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2011 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   blue15   (Member)

Some of these scores weren't really fantastic back when they first came out, but now that we're stuck in this musical rut, you listen to them and they all sound like Star Wars.

So true.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2011 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Interesting points. I would be willing to go for an expanded Chain Reaction but that score is sort of Goldsmith in a mode that he displayed over several scores, U. S. Marshals, Executive Decision, Along Came a Spider.

There are a few 90's expansions of his I'd rather see more... The Shadow, Mulan, The Ghost and The Darkness, stuff of that level.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2014 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

This is a favourite Goldsmith of mine. Not in my top 20 buy any means, but a favourite nonetheless.
A great blend of electronics and orchestra with some classic Goldsmith action licks. I'd certainly love a complete edition of this one.
The inclusion of the Explosion/Escape and Bridge Chase cues alone would have made the meager Varese album a more fulfilling and cohesive listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2014 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   Trent Easton Navarro   (Member)

Listening to this one right now for the first time in quite some time. It's a solid action score and better than I remembered it to be. Ice Chase is a vintage 90's Goldsmith score and System Down and Open Door (some great percussion in that track) are also great tracks. Only seen the film once, so don't know how much is missing.

But, together with Executive Decision and U.S. Marshals, it still sound too much like Goldsmith on auto-pilot. Wouldn't pass up on an expanded version, but there are scores from this period that I'd rather see expanded (Small Soldiers, L.A. Confidential and The Haunting from Varese, The Ghost and the Darkness and The River Wild from other labels)

But listening to this does make me miss the 90's! Better scores, better films. Good times!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2014 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

Yeah, that missing bridge chase cue is a major omission from the official album. A fifty minute release would be perfect for Chain Reaction.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2014 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I really like the lovely stuff on the CD (the fusion power theme he wrote) but I remember being bored by the repetitive action stuff that Goldsmith was laying down during that period.
BUT!!! (and it's a big but) I reckon if I heard an expanded edition now, set against what my ears have had to endure re action scoring these past few years, it would indeed probably sound like Star Wars!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2014 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Shaun is correct.

I never understood that bias against 90's Jerry. The 80's were a different time, and different movies, as every decade before it. So the 90's were bound to have a different sound, or they should. I have found it odd that Williams style did not change that much from the 70's 80 to the 90's. But that is another topic.

It is arguable that Jerry's masterworks were in the 60's through the 80's, but there are some pretty good scores in the 90's and the 2000's. The style change in the 90's were really about market demands for quick scores, and scores that were somewhat less 'notey'. His work on US Marshalls is a good example of a somewhat minimized score, but it is very effective and muscular and it stands out of the crowd of action scoring. Chain Reaction was another one, and in both of these cases, the score was far better than the movie.

 
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