Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2013 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I recall that detergent commercial but I don't recall the Amok Time music being used in it (or the quote from Spock near the end)--I have a feeling that was messed with after the fact.

It was. The original ad is also on YouTube and there is no trace of this music or Spock's quote. Wouldn't they have to pay for all of this usage? Seems too expensive a proposition for a commercial that doesn't directly reference Star Trek, instead going for more vague similarities. Note also the 80's ST movie transporter sound. The music was actually pretty sloppily edited and cut off. As the kids say: FAIL!


Well, I'm glad to hear that. The altered commercial was too bad to be true.

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2013 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   nicholasm79   (Member)

The unaltered ad (just in case you were curious):

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

I have slowly been discovering this holy grail. I am creating my own playlists, such as adding library music to short scores, such as “The Corbomite Maneuver” and “What Are Little Girls Made Of” to name a couple.

There was a link posted here – possibly 6 months back, with a nice long review of the set, I had a look at it, and back then, I didn’t think to print it out.
If anyone knows the review I am talking about – can they please link it again, as my eyes are hurting trying to locate it?
I tried typing it up in Google – but that particular review, does not get displayed, I believe it was unique.

If I remember correctly, it was track – by track analysis. Which I really love to read. (I love reading linear notes!)

This is definitely my favorite box set by far! It does take time to go through to really appreciate.
“Shore Leave” is my favorite score from Season One
“Catspaw” is one of my favorites from season two
And for season 3 – It is either “The Paradise Syndrome” or “The Enterprise Incident”.

I don’t understand why would Gene Roddenberry reject those fantastic scores, and end up using material from the first 2 seasons…. Does this get explained in the discussion thread? Season 3 music is outstanding! (Well every music note on the set is, but still….. a shame – It would be nice to see how the music went with the scenes they were composed for).

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I don’t understand why would Gene Roddenberry reject those fantastic scores, and end up using material from the first 2 seasons).


I don't understand this part. "Reject those fantastic scores" from . . . what? Roddenberry wasn't involved with the production of Season 3. He hired Fred Freiberger to handle that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 10:06 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

"He hired Fred Freiberger to handle that."

Thanks.

But then; why did Fred Freiberger reject the Season 3 Compositions?

Anyone know? Why go to the trouble of scoring a scene with material composed for something else. when you've got brand new material, that is fresh and new - and ultimately - Star Trek.

I guess that is what this makes this box set such a gem! But sad that Fred Freiberger didn't want to use it.

But I would say that Gene would have the final say, I mean Fred can't just reject the scores - right?

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

"He hired Fred Freiberger to handle that."

Thanks.

But then; why did Fred Freiberger reject the Season 3 Compositions?

Anyone know? Why go to the trouble of scoring a scene with material composed for something else. when you've got brand new material, that is fresh and new - and ultimately - Star Trek.

I guess that is what this makes this box set such a gem! But sad that Fred Freiberger didn't want to use it.

But I would say that Gene would have the final say, I mean Fred can't just reject the scores - right?


Gene had moved on to other projects in that 3rd season, so I think Fred did have final word. And it's completely the most common thing in both TV and film for recorded cues to go unused or be replaced by existing music. And I don't think entire scores went unused in Trek's season 3, but they certainly used existing cues from previous episodes, the same as they did in seasons 1 and 2.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2013 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Verity   (Member)

Is it me, or does it seem like Season 3 re-used earlier seasons' original recordings (against union rules) more frequently than in Season 2? Apollo's motif shows up several times, as does Ruk's Attack and some original cues from Where No Man Has Gone Before.

The standard practice was to re-record cues you wanted from previous seasons. Perhaps this rule wasn't broken any more frequently than in the previous season - but it seems that way to my ears as I watch the 3rd season. Interesting.

Oh - and if I haven't said it recently - I STILL love my TOS boxset. It is rare that a day doesn't go by that I don't listen to at least a few cues - if not an episode or two. Eternal thanks to the folks who made this possible. smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2013 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Verity   (Member)

I have slowly been discovering this holy grail. I am creating my own playlists, such as adding library music to short scores, such as “The Corbomite Maneuver” and “What Are Little Girls Made Of” to name a couple.

There was a link posted here – possibly 6 months back, with a nice long review of the set, I had a look at it, and back then, I didn’t think to print it out.
If anyone knows the review I am talking about – can they please link it again, as my eyes are hurting trying to locate it?
I tried typing it up in Google – but that particular review, does not get displayed, I believe it was unique.

If I remember correctly, it was track – by track analysis. Which I really love to read. (I love reading linear notes!)

This is definitely my favorite box set by far! It does take time to go through to really appreciate.
“Shore Leave” is my favorite score from Season One
“Catspaw” is one of my favorites from season two
And for season 3 – It is either “The Paradise Syndrome” or “The Enterprise Incident”.

I don’t understand why would Gene Roddenberry reject those fantastic scores, and end up using material from the first 2 seasons…. Does this get explained in the discussion thread? Season 3 music is outstanding! (Well every music note on the set is, but still….. a shame – It would be nice to see how the music went with the scenes they were composed for).




Reeve - Would this be the review you were looking for?

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/319957-star-trek-the-original-series-soundtrack-collection-review-highly-recommended/

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2013 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

I believe I have found music that is indeed missing from this set...or I just cannot find it anywhere and am ready to pull my hair out.

I was crazy enough to actually start doing every episode's edited score...tracked and all spliced up. I just started Miri and found a scene that has music that I believe is nowhere to be found on this set. The scene is when Kirk is sitting with Miri and they are talking and they first notice Kirk has the disease. The music heard is obviously Mullendore and is a very romantic version of the main theme. It sounds very similar to the library cues, but it is very different. Also sounds like the Kirk & Lenore cue from Conscience of the King as well.

Can anybody verify this with me? The scene is roughly 14:30 minutes into the episode. My theory is maybe one of the Library cues is incomplete. I even messed around with the pitch on those specific tracks, but it is definitely a different cue.

I couldn't find any info about this and was wondering if anybody else had noticed this cue is MIA.



I hope I may be wrong...overlooked it and it is on the set.


Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2013 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I believe I have found music that is indeed missing from this set...or I just cannot find it anywhere and am ready to pull my hair out.

I was crazy enough to actually start doing every episode's edited score...tracked and all spliced up. I just started Miri and found a scene that has music that I believe is nowhere to be found on this set. The scene is when Kirk is sitting with Miri and they are talking and they first notice Kirk has the disease. The music heard is obviously Mullendore and is a very romantic version of the main theme. It sounds very similar to the library cues, but it is very different. Also sounds like the Kirk & Lenore cue from Conscience of the King as well.

Can anybody verify this with me? The scene is roughly 14:30 minutes into the episode. My theory is maybe one of the Library cues is incomplete. I even messed around with the pitch on those specific tracks, but it is definitely a different cue.

I couldn't find any info about this and was wondering if anybody else had noticed this cue is MIA.



I hope I may be wrong...overlooked it and it is on the set.


Thanks!


I know I can't answer this question specifically, but every single time someone has posted here or over at the Trek Nation board inquiring about possibly a missing cue from the set, La-La Land Records has replied exactly where to find it. From what I learned talking to them directly, these guys were insanely obsessive when making this set and were provided every single scrap of music to be found on those tapes. That cue from "Miri" has got to be on that set somewhere, I tell ya! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

I registered over there so I could inquire about the missing cue, too.

I spent a few hours today scouring the set thoroughly. I tend to get obsessed about things such as this. LOL But seriously, I do think this cue was left off of the set. I like making these complete episode scores with all of the tracked and edited music. Kind of like a project to keep me entertained.

Anyways, I had read various posts about supposed 'missing' cues, but they were always found. So I was not expecting to find an actual missing piece of music from this set.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

DP

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Try Conscience of the King, Season 1 Disc 4: Kirk and Lenore*/He's Dead M22/M23 1:42

It kicks right into what you're looking for. At 35 seconds, put in your Charlie X edit.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

Actually, that is not the right cue. Kirk & Lenore is a lot shorter than the missing cue in question. Also, the missing cue is only flutes where as Kirk & Lenore uses strings instead at one point. It's almost like the cue is an alternate of Kirk & Lenore or perhaps and extended take. Bummer it is not on this set.

Oh well. I still love this set of music and still really appreciate that it was actually even made. But alas, as of right now it is not technically "complete" I guess.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Actually, that is not the right cue. Kirk & Lenore is a lot shorter than the missing cue in question. Also, the missing cue is only flutes where as Kirk & Lenore uses strings instead at one point. It's almost like the cue is an alternate of Kirk & Lenore or perhaps and extended take. Bummer it is not on this set.

Oh well. I still love this set of music and still really appreciate that it was actually even made. But alas, as of right now it is not technically "complete" I guess.


Anyone "in the know" who can help?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

Disappointing if the cue is missing, to be sure.

Brett, I am impressed by your ongoing project. Would you be willing to share any of the cue sheets you created for the episodes you have done thus far?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

You know when I started this project, I totally forgot to even keep a record of the cues used and edits made. I just popped in the DVD and started editing. LOL

However, I am still in the very early stages of this daunting project so I could do this. The first 10 episodes are somewhat easier since a lot of the music is not tracked or edited around yet.

I will go back and make logs. Once done I will definitely share the info. I have completed every episode up through Miri now.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

Thanks so much. This set is wonderfully comprehensive, and the one real missing element is the cue sheets making up each episode's score. Your project will add some real value to the set.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

I just finished logging 'Where No Man Has Gone Before'.

Please be patient, it will probably take me a week or so to play catch up.

Let me know if you want the file (it's a simple txt file). I'd appreciate feedback on the layout and if it makes sense.




Please note, for the episodes where there is a lot of editing I will definitely make note if the cues bleed together. Also, there are a few instances where a cue is used as an overlay or stinger underneath the main cue. I will make note of these as well. I also have come across a few cues where the pitch was changed to make a cue sound different or unique and even one instance where a cue's tempo was sped up considerably. I will make sure to note all of these occurrences on the comments line.

I used Audacity to edit my cues, so when there is a pitch change or tempo change, it will be using Audacity numbers.

I just started this project around Halloween and have done 9 episodes. So it usually takes about 3 days to complete one episode.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 10:43 PM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

I would love to see the file, and would be happy to provide feedback. How can I get it from you?

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2014 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.