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 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Some of you make it seem like you are suppose to root for one or the other, it's the music that counts and Intrada found more of it, the Kritzerland was over three years ago and sold out pretty fast. There are only winners here people.

What Francis said.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

This is such a beautiful score. Next to Cocoon ne of my all time favorite Horner scores. Since some people mentioned in a previous post that it sounds exactly like Commando, I`d suggest they listen to the samples. Sure, it also features the "intense cluster of chimes, pizzicato bass, swelling brass" that can be found in Commando but it has much more to offer: the clever inclusion of the beautiful Tchaikovsky piece and wonderful melancholy and emotional themes. While I find Commando rather chaotic and tiresome I can`t get enough of Gorky Park.
Thanks so much Intrada.

Btw. does anyone know if the Tchaikovsky music was newly recorded by Horner or if an existing recording was used? And does anyone know what Tchaikovsky composition it is?

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

The two interpolated Tchaikovsky pieces are the famous waltz from SWAN LAKE and the 1812 OVERTURE. So far as I know, these inserts were newly recorded for the film.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

The Tchaikovsky music comes from two different works: An excerpt of Swan Lake is heard in the first part of the cue and then another one from The 1812 Overture - itself quoting 'La Marseilleise' - concludes the cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

Thanks for the info. I`m pretty embarrassed that I didn`t recognize SWAN LAkE smile But I didn`t know the OVERTURE.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Very pleased to pick up this one. A very nice pair of releases from Intrada to kick off the Autumn season.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

There is no harm at all in dry-docking an incarnation of a score and stripping it down bare then adding a new layer of paint. The fact the major labels all get to do this every so often means anyone who hasn't bought a previous version will have a treat next time round. Kritzerland did it with David & Bathsheba and now Intrada have done it with Gorky Park. La La Land did the same for The Blue Max and Varese Sarabande did it titanically with Spartacus. That's pretty good triangulation from all the major players and it shows us that pursuit of excellence is alive and well. Congrats to everyone involved.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Loving the samples to this. Intrada has breathed new life Iinto this early Horner gem. Earlier I did not mean to be negative on Kritzerland. I was only surprised at how much new music was found. Kritzerland is awesome.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

So, a possible conclusion regarding the above discussion, might be:

Beloved labels, don't re-re-re-release music that has been available recently from other labels, and focus on unreleased stuff instead. (remark on the word "recently").

P.S. Just for the record: Intrada is my all-time favorite label, I instantly bought this Gorky Park and I definitely think this edition is the one to treasure.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

So, a possible conclusion regarding the above discussion, might be:

Beloved labels, don't re-re-re-release music that has been available recently from other labels, and focus on unreleased stuff instead. (remark on the word "recently").

P.S. Just for the record: Intrada is my all-time favorite label, I instantly bought this Gorky Park and I definitely think this edition is the one to treasure.


That is not at all a possible conclusion in my mind. Some people bickering without knowing all of the facts should not prevent a label from doing the best possible release of a score when ideal masters have been located, no matter how recently the prior album was released. And I doubt that this release took away that much precious time from anything else that Intrada is doing and wants to do.

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

So, a possible conclusion regarding the above discussion, might be:

Beloved labels, don't re-re-re-release music that has been available recently from other labels, and focus on unreleased stuff instead. (remark on the word "recently").

P.S. Just for the record: Intrada is my all-time favorite label, I instantly bought this Gorky Park and I definitely think this edition is the one to treasure.


This is such a narrow-minded viewpoint. We should applaud the fact that by re-releasing these scores, it makes them available to NEW fans, those who might just be discovering who their favorites are. Maybe they picked up the latest Horner score and then wanted to search out his older works. At least GORKY PARK will be out there and available for them to purchase and enjoy. Too many soundtrack fans seem to forget that it might be important from both a business model and supporting the art to keep releasing these scores to the public for these reasons. It's not all about you personally and what you already own. Just don't buy it. The labels should NEVER tailor their releases to what the established fan base already has, it's insane, especially considering how large some of our collections can be. Just think of the reissues as helping to keep this hobby alive for future generations. Everyone should stop being so short-sighted.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2014 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

I will be one of the triple dippers. Anything Horner calls my name but Gorky Park is a score I've always struggled with. The reason is because I always felt like I was being bludgeoned by the mix. It was as if the loud cues had the details muted and so when I'd try to listen for the details and I felt like I was hearing a muddled wall of noise. The Kritzerland release was a dramatic improvement over the Varese but still not quite right. Reading about how the score was mixed seems to explain most of the issues I'd had with the score.

Quite frankly, I'm hoping to experience Gorky Park without getting a headache. And judging from the samples that should be no issue. This score seems to be mixed more organically and mirrors how 48 Hrs was handled. And that mix is fantastic. So I'm anxious to rediscover Gorky Park and really fall in love with it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I'm thrilled over this release. GP is one of my favorite Horner scores and I have the original Varese CD. I missed the Kritzerland, so I'm happy to get this. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Perhaps I'm slow and this was made clear somewhere in the press materials, but I'm a little confused by the way the score is being presented given the track listing. It looks like the usual Film Score + Extras organization that Intrada favors, but the main section includes certain album versions while the extras section includes certain film versions. Am I missing something?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Track 16, the Main Title "without the classical inserts" allows us to listen to several long stretches of nothingness where the classical stuff was inserted. At first, I thought this was a total waste of space and listening time, but then I realized its potential.

I can now superimpose any musical pieces I like into this template, in place of Horner's old Tchaikovsky stuff. I've tried several and I can tell you the one I like best is a Roy Rogers insert of "Happy Trails" with an ominous clank every 20 seconds or so. Conjures up images of burglars creeping around the Roy Rogers museum late at night, with their torches lighting up various exhibits in turn before finally revealing the beady eyes of a stuffed Trigger looking down on them menacingly. Really quite frightening as a listening experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   BROMHEAD1   (Member)

The first two releases definitely had sound issues on some of the tracks (centre channel only) as mentioned and this has really bugged me for many years especially if you listen on headphones so this new 'stereo' release is more than welcome and i will be picking it up soon.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   BROMHEAD1   (Member)

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 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Perhaps I'm slow and this was made clear somewhere in the press materials, but I'm a little confused by the way the score is being presented given the track listing. It looks like the usual Film Score + Extras organization that Intrada favors, but the main section includes certain album versions while the extras section includes certain film versions. Am I missing something?

It's a mystery. Like the movie! I get it!

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

No spoilers!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

They all die at the end!

 
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