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 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Perhaps I'm slow and this was made clear somewhere in the press materials, but I'm a little confused by the way the score is being presented given the track listing. It looks like the usual Film Score + Extras organization that Intrada favors, but the main section includes certain album versions while the extras section includes certain film versions. Am I missing something?

I'm curious about this too. I'm sure it makes sense, and I haven't watched my DVD for a while, but it does seem... odd. Presumably they represent Horner's preferred takes of each cue rather than what's in the film per se?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

They definitely release the sables!

Will be getting this most excellent James Horner score!

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Is any mention made in the booklet of the cymbalom and its use in this score? No reference was made of it in the annoucement and I'd like to know more about this exotic and haunting instrument.

Many composers have used in the past, Rozsa chief among them even though he wasn't too thrilled with it it seems, and others, such as Quincy Jones have used it to great effect in their music - in Jones case I am thinking of 'In the Heat of the Night' where it makes several unexpected (and delightful) appearances.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

A&C, I do mention cimbalom in the notes, although only in the context of Horner's creation of the score's unique palette. If the instrument's historical context had been a factor I might have gone into more detail, but as it stands I think Horner just liked the musical color. It's one of many stringed instruments he blends in, including balalaika, mandolin, guitar, oud and harp.

Mike, this time around the score is being presented as a new "expanded album" presentation, with most of the film versions and additional extra tracks presented afterwards.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Mike, this time around the score is being presented as a new "expanded album" presentation, with most of the film versions and additional extra tracks presented afterwards.

Thanks for the clarification, Wedge. It still seems odd to me from an archival point of view, but I agree with Spymaster that perhaps they went with Horner's preferred arrangements in the main set.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

My copy arrived today.

Phew. That's what I've got to say. I knew something was wrong with the mix but I never knew how bad it was until now. Putting on Gorky Park with a set of good headphones is like listening to a new score. The stereo concept is used to its fullest extent and so many of the colors Horner used for the score are mixed very openly across the stereo spectrum. This score can really breathe now. And its amazing how much detail there is once it does. Intrada really outdid themselves here.

P.S. I always suspected that was the Blaster Beam hiding in the mix as a rhythm setter and punctuation color in some of the cues, but now you can really hear it. Not to mention its nice to see Huxley get credit for it on this album.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It still seems odd to me from an archival point of view, but I agree with Spymaster that perhaps they went with Horner's preferred arrangements in the main set.

Personally, I don't think archival storage is the highest calling for a CD. I prefer to listen to music. Archivally, you still have everything stored on this CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

It still seems odd to me from an archival point of view, but I agree with Spymaster that perhaps they went with Horner's preferred arrangements in the main set.

Personally, I don't think archival storage is the highest calling for a CD. I prefer to listen to music. Archivally, you still have everything stored on this CD.


This.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

It still seems odd to me from an archival point of view, but I agree with Spymaster that perhaps they went with Horner's preferred arrangements in the main set.

Personally, I don't think archival storage is the highest calling for a CD. I prefer to listen to music. Archivally, you still have everything stored on this CD.


Seconded.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

The new album assembly is a great listen, I think, but anyone who does wish to recreate the full film sequence can simply program the following track order:

1. Main Title
2. No Faces
17. A Leather Bag With The Gun
18. First Flashback
20. Tailing KGB
3. Chase Through The Park
4. Following Kirwill
21. Second Flashback In Arkady's Office
5. Andreev*
6. Pasha And Golodkin Shot
7. Irina's Chase
24. Regaining Consciousness
25. Love Montage
8. Arkady And Irina (Film Version)
27. The Sable Shed (Film Version)
11. Following KGB
12. Iamskoy's Death
28. Irina's Confession
31. Stockholm Salted Peanuts (Cocktail Piano)
13. Setting Up The Deal
29. Farewell At The Airport (Film Version)
30. Releasing The Sables/End Credits (Film Version)

* "Andreev" actually consists of four brief cues that appear surrounding the material in "Second Flashback In Arkady's Office," but they have been combined here into a single track for a more coherent listening experience.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Thanks, Wedge. Not griping about the decision, just the confusion.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I've always been quite happy with the old Varese release, so much so that when Kritzerland re-released it I didn't see the need to upgrade.
When this new issue was announced, I wondered whether an extra 5-10 minutes of music would be worth it too.
However, with the wealth of alternate takes and edits on offer, plus the buzz I'm hearing about the upgrade and expansion in sound, I figured it's worth the plunge.
Of the three scores Horner wrote in this style (48 Hrs and Commando also), I love this one and 48 Hrs about equal (while 48 Hrs doesn't have the lovelines of Irina's Theme, the Khan/Wolfen moments more than make up for it), but tire very quickly of Commando, as there is less respite and variation in that one.
Really looking forward to Releasing Those Sables on my home system.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Worth it for Iamskoy’s Death - despite only being 43 seconds long!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I'll never lose the memory and the buzz of hearing those early Horner efforts on LP in the 80's (Battle Beyond The Stars, ST2-TWOK, Brainstorm, Krull and Gorky Park) and just being so jazzed and exhilirated by what was happening.
Did a 'new kid on the block' film composer ever make a more exciting and powerful impact to our world?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

Just played through the whole disc. Intrada has a lot to be proud of with this CD (as does composer Horner). Always liked the original Varese LP and CD; however, this is truly like listening to it for the first time. Clean, clear, precise and VERY complete. Bravo.

The only bummer to the whole experience is that the booklet looks like it was bent in the middle when loaded into the jewel box at the factory...and the box from SAE (delivered by our magnificently careful US Post Office) was crushed and the jewel boxes were broken to all three of the CDs inside, GORKY PARK, THE LAST RUN and THE CASSANDRA CROSSING...not really a biggie, but annoying nonetheless.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I'd say Patrick Doyle is a good candidate...reaching back further how about Jerry Goldsmith, Elmer Bernstein, and Alex North (even though I'm not the biggest fan of the latter, there's no denying his impact on film music from just his first few scores...shoot now I guess I have to mention Leonard Rosenman too, who I like less...)

Oh...deep in the Golden Age there was this young guy named Andre Previn (wrote his first score in the late 40s while he was still a teenager) who must've had the old hands pretty worried...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

I'd say Patrick Doyle is a good candidate...reaching back further how about Jerry Goldsmith, Elmer Bernstein, and Alex North (even though I'm not the biggest fan of the latter, there's no denying his impact on film music from just his first few scores...shoot now I guess I have to mention Leonard Rosenman too, who I like less...)

Oh...deep in the Golden Age there was this young guy named Andre Previn (wrote his first score in the late 40s while he was still a teenager) who must've had the old hands pretty worried...

Yavar



I always thought Alex North is the prime candidate having started his career in Hollywood with Streetcar (try to beat that for impact) and Salesman and continuing with scores like Viva Zapata, The 13th Letter and Les Miserables.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)


I love this release. The sound quality alone is so crisp. Hearing all the parts so clearly now makes me appreciate this score even more, and I've owned the soundtrack in some form since the first week it came out.

"Setting up the Deal" and the jazz cut at the end are super extras. And I have to admit that I prefer the Tchaikovsky version of the finale---it fits the lighter mood as the sables run free. Really happy to have this version. (As an aside, I'd love to hear a concert of classical music conducted by Horner, just to see how he'd interpret works by the masters.)

The liner notes provide great background info. Excellent.

James Horner produced a phenomenal amount of coolness in 1983. I'm still mad that the Academy didn't single out Krull or Brainstorm. Thanks, again, Intrada, for one of the most pleasant musical surprises of the year. Damn, this is good.

-

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

If you're gonna do a remaster/expansion of a score, this truly is the way to do it.
Sound quality is revelatory (I know the original Varese issue sounded quite good anyway, but this is the sonic equivalent of removing a cataract), the booklet and notes offer great info/reading and in addition to the original programme, the extras offer fascinating new (albeit short) alternates, including a Love Montage cue that features a familiar refrain (no, not danger motif, but a slow 3 note motif heard in Cocoon, amongst other things) and the suspense cues, without the classical inserts, now sound like more music from ALIENS, featuring a Russian crew.
If you like this score or Horner in general, I would recommend the upgrade without hesitation.
Great work, Intrada dudes.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

So, like I was sayin... wink

 
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