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 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Actually your right there about the Chinese, they do a lot of counterfeiting on game scores there everywhere especially on Ebay/Amazon, i got caught out 1 time on amazon, I purchased Metroid fake crap avoid it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Both kinds of CDs are made of nearly the same material. From bottom to top...

PRESSED: Polycarbonate layer + foil layer + lacquer layer. Glue to hold it together.

BURNED: Polycarbonate layer + dye layer + foil layer + lacquer layer. Glue to hold it together.

With pressed discs, the information is first written to a glass stamper and then stamped, or "pressed," with precise mechanization into the polycarbonate layer. The foil acts as a reflective layer for your player's laser to read. With burned discs, a layer of organic dye is added to write, or "burn," information into as desired. A foil layer is included to again act as a reflective.

These materials are always part of the build. They're consistent. What's inconsistent is the quality of the materials and, in the case of CD-Rs, the process of making the finalized disc. Poor materials can lead to badly pressed CDs but, by and large, this isn't usually a problem. Especially considering the reliability in how precisely they're made. Burned discs, on the other hand, are made and sold at the consumer level in a variety of markets, come from a variety of suppliers of each material in different parts of the world and have different standards of quality. Added to that are variables when burning a disc, such as quality of burner, software and burn speed. And added to THAT is the burning process itself, which uses a laser to create (in a relatively sloppy way honestly) a disc that can fool a player into believing it's a real CD. These are the same variables in pressed/burned DVDs too.

When you burn your own discs, you have some measure of control in what blanks, equipment and settings you use. When someone else burns your discs, you have no control. For me personally, I try to buy smart and back up my data. If something is only available on CD-R and you're comfortable buying it, do so and back that disc up.

Ignore predicted longevity as we don't know how long any of these discs will last. Rely on knowing how they're made. It's as good a predictor as any.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   moovtune714   (Member)

The first thing I do when getting a CDR is copy it to a high quality blank at a slow speed burn rate. I don't trust the brands they use sometimes for their "legit" burned CDR's. Definitely stay away from anything made by CMC Magnetics in Taiwan. I use Taiyo Yuden and burn at 4X speed, even though my burner can do 32X. The faster the burn the faster the drive has to spin (causing perhaps more vibration and less accurate burn) and the hotter the laser has to be to create the image (and again perhaps less accurately.)

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Actually, the discs are designed to be burned at a certain speed. You should avoid burning at the fastest setting, but the slowest can give you trouble too. It's advisable to burn at slightly faster than the medium setting, so if you buy 32X discs, somewhere around 20-24 would be best.

This site is terrific for advice and straight, no-nonsense explanations of recorded media. And everything digital.

http://www.digitalfaq.com

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

GNP do some CDRs same with Cometa, No CDR is a good CDR Henry send them back buddy they have very limited life.

Yes. Theoretically, hundred to hundred-and-fifty years *is* a 'limited lifespan'.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Just an update, I'm following up on getting a refund. Also, in the meantime I have found actual cd copies of DEEP IMPACT, THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES and THE SPITFIRE GRILL for a very good price.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Get in line behind me, Henry! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I agree, Henry, I despise CDR too. I have two that I rarely play because I hate looking at them.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2016 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Sampo   (Member)

I would have no idea that some recent releases were cdrs if I didn't frequent this site, like the Crouching Tiger: Sword of Destiny release.

Sometimes these days I don't know what I'm getting until it arrives, like In the Heart of the Sea. As recently as a few years ago, you'd just take it for granted that titles like that were pressed cds. The way the cdrs in these numbers have come from out of nowhere via amazon, with some deceptive signals intended to present them as regular cds, is foreboding. What if fsm or intrada had done something like this & not given due warning to customers? There would have been blowback.

I think a lot more effort could be made to inform shoppers that what they're buying are not what the status quo has been, regardless of their comparative indifference with cds.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

So I just ordered THE 33 and THE KARATE KID. I'm o.k. with them being cdrs if they're not available on cd. But I would prefer them on cd however.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I'd be curious if you bought them from another seller and they gave you CDR cheaply made stuff. If you went through Amazon I believe they are solid CD's. I can't seem to find a place that says these are now Disc On Demands (CDR's). Sorry Henry frown I only looked into Deep Impact btw.

Hi my friend!smileI bought all three from merchants on Amazon, I just assumed they'd be cds, they didn't say they were cdrs. BTW, I just ordered the James Horner tribute concert on Blu-ray, I can't wait to watch it, Horner is one of my favorites.


Return them and let Amazon know WHY you are returning them.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2016 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

So has no one here heard of this crazy new-fangled thing all the kids are rip-roarin' about, 'The iTunes'?

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 2:14 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

So has no one here heard of this crazy new-fangled thing all the kids are rip-roarin' about, 'The iTunes'?


You mean shitty low quality MP3 for the price of pressed CDs?
No thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

You mean shitty low quality MP3 for the price of pressed CDs?
No thanks!


Well, typically about half the price of a retail CD, but otherwise yes, that is what I meant.

Is 245kbps (iTune's compression standard since around 2008 onward) really that egregious? Are your ears that much more amazingly attuned than mine that you can truly, honestly hear the difference between that and lossless audio? Or is this the same thing as people paying twice as much for "organic" produce as us lowly common-folk for whom pesticide-addled peasant food is adept enough...?

Sorry, it's 2:30am here and I'm feeling snappy as hell this morning. Long live ShitTunes!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

So has no one here heard of this crazy new-fangled thing all the kids are rip-roarin' about, 'The iTunes'?


You mean shitty low quality MP3 for the price of pressed CDs?
No thanks!


Avoid it like the plague.
Yes it might well be that quite a few people can't hear the difference, but does that mean we should accept a quality which is worse than CD which we've been getting for 20+ years.

Plus don't even get started on the regional restrictions which prevent many people from buying certain music where they live. At least with a CD you can buy it pretty much anywhere in the world.

Anyway, been down this discussion many times on this board. CDRs are not perfect but if it's a choice between that and lossy download then I'll take the CDR.
I just rip the music losslessly onto a harddrive (fully backed up) so I don't actually know if the CDRs I have are playable.
But then I don't know if any of my many pressed CDs are affected by discrot. It's possible that the CDRs will outlive some pressed CDs.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

It's not just a matter of sound quality but a matter of ownership. That's what you're getting with a (hopefully reliable) hard copy. Like with any media, downloads and streaming are merely access. Discs are ownership.

And no amount of cultural acceptance (or rejection) is going to change that fact.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I like CDRs. I like CDs better, but I like CDRs.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

So has no one here heard of this crazy new-fangled thing all the kids are rip-roarin' about, 'The iTunes'?


You mean shitty low quality MP3 for the price of pressed CDs?
No thanks!


 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

I have THE GIFT signed by Christopher Young and it plays damaged now. It is a FYC cd-r. Bummer.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2016 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Discs are ownership.

The discs may be, the music still isn't. Downloading a virtual release gives you the same rights as buying a cd.

And for the love of the ancient one:
• streaming =/= buying
• ripping your disc gives you the exact quality
• buying a FLAC or ALAC 16-bit too


And most of all: WE ARE NOT *ON* YOUR LAWN!


P.S. Promo-discs are, I reckon, a different quality than payed for CD-R's. That bag I got from my bookstore is also form a less quality that the one I bought at Marks & Spencer's.

 
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