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Well, now we have two Goldmsiths coming - when it rains it pours. 
You can never really do just one Goldsmith...
So is the second one Breakheart Pass, now that you see what it's going for on the second hand market? Even if there isn't any missing music (although when it was released by LLL MV said there was one 85 second cue missing), maybe you can work some magic with the sound...
But what I'm really hoping for from you are Fox scores. Really too bad that your much-desired The Other isn't available to you because I know you'd do a great edition. I think the Goldsmith at Fox box stuff is a likely bet here, especially if better sources have been found as happened for The Egyptian, Rains of Ranchipur, David and Bathsheba, etc. Don't know why Varese would pay for perpetuity rights on any of it for a limited to 1500 copies collector's item, so these should be available.
These would make most sense to me:
Von Ryan's Express + The Detective (due to the Sinatra connection) -- While I think The Detective is complete (not counting any surviving alternates), Von Ryan's Express I believe was missing a little music. Plus, if better sources have been found...the only thing is that both complete scores add up to only around 40 minutes, so if you're feeling generous filling the disc out with the otherwise-unrelated Shock Treatment (which could *really* use a better source) would be nice.
Anna and the King + A Tree Grows in Brooklyn -- For me probably the highlights of the Goldsmith at Fox box. Lovely, delicate music; some of Jerry's best for TV. This only made up about 30 minutes on the box, but I was wondering if that was everything Goldsmith recorded for these. I guess Tree might just be a brief score, but considering Anna and the King on the box was music from multiple episodes, I'd be kinda shocked if there wasn't more that Goldsmith wrote and recorded besides those 16 minutes! If there is more this would be an AMAZING re-release. And I guess you could tack on the surviving bits of Fate Is the Hunter to be nice to collectors...maybe your audio guy can work wonders with the sound quality on that (haven't new techniques been found in the last several years to deal with wow?)
I'm guessing the 13.5 minutes of The Chairman that were included was all that survived on the master tapes (and sadly all but a minute was overlap with the existing LP)...but if more was found of that score, even in mono it'd make a great release on its own.
I guess the last thing anyone will re-release individually from the box set is S*P*Y*S (aside from Damnation Alley unless some solution is found for the missing synth tracks) but to me that's a shame because I found it a lot of fun, especially the zany "Anybody Got a Key?" with it's classical quotes, synthesizers, and Russian male choir sound!
Yavar
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Definitive Papillon wouldn't be entirely bad either...
One of my favourite Goldsmith's.
But what do we need that we haven't already got?
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All this talk has got me misty eyed and nostalgic for -- wow, can it really be almost TEN YEARS AGO now?
I'm going to go give my Jerry at Fox box set a big hug. It's getting to be so old...
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Double post. Nothing to see here.
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If there's no additional music at all (or at least very little) to be found for any of the otherwise unreleased Goldsmith scores in the Fox Box, I think they'd actually even fit on two discs at this point, if we leave out Damnation Alley, which is still waiting on the synth tracks to be discovered (or re-recorded by some enterprising label):
Disc 4:
The Artist Who Did Not Want to Paint (released by Varese later on their Agony and the Ecstasy DE)
Shock Treatment (20 minutes)
Fate Is the Hunter (7 minutes)
Von Ryan's Express (21 minutes)
Disc 5:
S*P*Y*S (19 minutes)
The Chairman (13.5 minutes in mono, but only 51 seconds of unique material not on the stereo LP album re-released afterwards by Prometheus)
The Detective (18 minutes)
Alien (later released complete/definitive by Intrada as an unlimited MAF)
Disc 6:
Damnation Alley (19 minutes, but as noted waiting on synth parts for any re-release I would think)
Anna and the King (at only 16.5 minutes for multiple episodes, I wonder if there's any unreleased Goldsmith music written for this series, but let's assume there isn't for the moment)
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (14.5 minutes -- the complete score?)
The Vanishing (later released complete/definitive by Varese in their Club series)
So let's add up omitting Artist, The Chairman, Alien, Damnation Alley, and The Vanishing:
20 + 7 + 21 + 19 + 18 + 16.5 + 14.5 = 116 minutes. Add on the 19 "salvageable sans synths" minutes of Damnation Alley and you've still got a group that would fit easily on two discs in various configurations. I hope Kritzerland (or Intrada) puts some or all of it out.
Yavar
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Well, now we have two Goldmsiths coming - when it rains it pours.
You can never really do just one Goldsmith...
So is the second one Breakheart Pass, now that you see what it's going for on the second hand market? Even if there isn't any missing music (although when it was released by LLL MV said there was one 85 second cue missing), maybe you can work some magic with the sound...
But what I'm really hoping for from you are Fox scores. Really too bad that your much-desired The Other isn't available to you because I know you'd do a great edition. I think the Goldsmith at Fox box stuff is a likely bet here, especially if better sources have been found as happened for The Egyptian, Rains of Ranchipur, David and Bathsheba, etc. Don't know why Varese would pay for perpetuity rights on any of it for a limited to 1500 copies collector's item, so these should be available.
These would make most sense to me:
Von Ryan's Express + The Detective (due to the Sinatra connection) -- While I think The Detective is complete (not counting any surviving alternates), Von Ryan's Express I believe was missing a little music. Plus, if better sources have been found...the only thing is that both complete scores add up to only around 40 minutes, so if you're feeling generous filling the disc out with the otherwise-unrelated Shock Treatment (which could *really* use a better source) would be nice.
Anna and the King + A Tree Grows in Brooklyn -- For me probably the highlights of the Goldsmith at Fox box. Lovely, delicate music; some of Jerry's best for TV. This only made up about 30 minutes on the box, but I was wondering if that was everything Goldsmith recorded for these. I guess Tree might just be a brief score, but considering Anna and the King on the box was music from multiple episodes, I'd be kinda shocked if there wasn't more that Goldsmith wrote and recorded besides those 16 minutes! If there is more this would be an AMAZING re-release. And I guess you could tack on the surviving bits of Fate Is the Hunter to be nice to collectors...maybe your audio guy can work wonders with the sound quality on that (haven't new techniques been found in the last several years to deal with wow?)
I'm guessing the 13.5 minutes of The Chairman that were included was all that survived on the master tapes (and sadly all but a minute was overlap with the existing LP)...but if more was found of that score, even in mono it'd make a great release on its own.
I guess the last thing anyone will re-release individually from the box set is S*P*Y*S (aside from Damnation Alley unless some solution is found for the missing synth tracks) but to me that's a shame because I found it a lot of fun, especially the zany "Anybody Got a Key?" with it's classical quotes, synthesizers, and Russian male choir sound!
Yavar
La La Land was confused about Breakhart Pass - in fact, what is on their CD is the complete score - the "missing" cue, which has been explained by Jeff Bond in the other Goldsmith thread, is a tracked in cue in the film (The Boxcar) into one of the final scenes. So, it's all there. Time will tell what our two releases are but I do love Breakhart Pass.
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Well, now we have two Goldmsiths coming - when it rains it pours.
You can never really do just one Goldsmith...
So is the second one Breakheart Pass, now that you see what it's going for on the second hand market? Even if there isn't any missing music (although when it was released by LLL MV said there was one 85 second cue missing), maybe you can work some magic with the sound...
But what I'm really hoping for from you are Fox scores. Really too bad that your much-desired The Other isn't available to you because I know you'd do a great edition. I think the Goldsmith at Fox box stuff is a likely bet here, especially if better sources have been found as happened for The Egyptian, Rains of Ranchipur, David and Bathsheba, etc. Don't know why Varese would pay for perpetuity rights on any of it for a limited to 1500 copies collector's item, so these should be available.
These would make most sense to me:
Von Ryan's Express + The Detective (due to the Sinatra connection) -- While I think The Detective is complete (not counting any surviving alternates), Von Ryan's Express I believe was missing a little music. Plus, if better sources have been found...the only thing is that both complete scores add up to only around 40 minutes, so if you're feeling generous filling the disc out with the otherwise-unrelated Shock Treatment (which could *really* use a better source) would be nice.
Anna and the King + A Tree Grows in Brooklyn -- For me probably the highlights of the Goldsmith at Fox box. Lovely, delicate music; some of Jerry's best for TV. This only made up about 30 minutes on the box, but I was wondering if that was everything Goldsmith recorded for these. I guess Tree might just be a brief score, but considering Anna and the King on the box was music from multiple episodes, I'd be kinda shocked if there wasn't more that Goldsmith wrote and recorded besides those 16 minutes! If there is more this would be an AMAZING re-release. And I guess you could tack on the surviving bits of Fate Is the Hunter to be nice to collectors...maybe your audio guy can work wonders with the sound quality on that (haven't new techniques been found in the last several years to deal with wow?)
I'm guessing the 13.5 minutes of The Chairman that were included was all that survived on the master tapes (and sadly all but a minute was overlap with the existing LP)...but if more was found of that score, even in mono it'd make a great release on its own.
I guess the last thing anyone will re-release individually from the box set is S*P*Y*S (aside from Damnation Alley unless some solution is found for the missing synth tracks) but to me that's a shame because I found it a lot of fun, especially the zany "Anybody Got a Key?" with it's classical quotes, synthesizers, and Russian male choir sound!
Yavar
La La Land was confused about Breakhart Pass - in fact, what is on their CD is the complete score - the "missing" cue, which has been explained by Jeff Bond in the other Goldsmith thread, is a tracked in cue in the film (The Boxcar) into one of the final scenes. So, it's all there. Time will tell what our two releases are but I do love Breakhart Pass.
It's one of Jerry's best westerns!
MV
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While I think The Detective is complete (not counting any surviving alternates),
Hey, Yavar.
Have you ever watched THE DETECTIVE?
There is at least one significant cue missing from the Fox Box (perhaps even more than one cue, not to mention source music, etc.).
The climactic scene near the end (in flashback) when William Windon smashes Likeman's homosexual son's skull four times with a heavy ashtray is absent.
There may be more unreleased music elsewhere in THE DETECTIVE, but my memory doesn't recall anything in particular.
I'd say that the 18 minutes you mention could expand to at least 21 minutes with that missing 3-minute track. But, of course, this would still not be long enough for a stand-alone album and THE DETECTIVE would likely be paired with something else from Fox.
[P.S. I also recall one of the electro-shock therapy scenes in SHOCK TREATMENT to contain music which doesn't appear in the selection within the Fox Box - so there's additional minutes from that score as well...]
Do you know where to get a decent transfer of this flick?
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Yes, I've seen both The Detective and Von Ryan's Express, but we're talking years and years ago. I remember thinking they were both pretty decent and Goldsmith's music was effective and well-spotted. I haven't seen Shock Treatment. It's good to know there are a few more cues that could be added -- it seems like the three of them would still fit on a single CD though, even if extra music was discovered.
I do find it interesting that Bruce quoted my entire post about the Fox Box scores but didn't address the possibility at all, just talking about Breakheart Pass. Since he didn't rule it out but quoted all that it makes me think it might be likely what's happening...I wonder which scores.
Yavar
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Yes, I've seen both The Detective and Von Ryan's Express, but we're talking years and years ago. I remember thinking they were both pretty decent and Goldsmith's music was effective and well-spotted. I haven't seen Shock Treatment. It's good to know there are a few more cues that could be added -- it seems like the three of them would still fit on a single CD though, even if extra music was discovered.
I do find it interesting that Bruce quoted my entire post about the Fox Box scores but didn't address the possibility at all, just talking about Breakheart Pass. Since he didn't rule it out but quoted all that it makes me think it might be likely what's happening...I wonder which scores.
Yavar
Here's the thing: By the time I inquired about the Goldsmith box everything of note had already been spoken for - one must be QUICK and I was not QUICK. So nothing from us from the box.
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Well, now we have two Goldmsiths coming - when it rains it pours.
You can never really do just one Goldsmith...
So is the second one Breakheart Pass, now that you see what it's going for on the second hand market? Even if there isn't any missing music (although when it was released by LLL MV said there was one 85 second cue missing), maybe you can work some magic with the sound...
But what I'm really hoping for from you are Fox scores. Really too bad that your much-desired The Other isn't available to you because I know you'd do a great edition. I think the Goldsmith at Fox box stuff is a likely bet here, especially if better sources have been found as happened for The Egyptian, Rains of Ranchipur, David and Bathsheba, etc. Don't know why Varese would pay for perpetuity rights on any of it for a limited to 1500 copies collector's item, so these should be available.
These would make most sense to me:
Von Ryan's Express + The Detective (due to the Sinatra connection) -- While I think The Detective is complete (not counting any surviving alternates), Von Ryan's Express I believe was missing a little music. Plus, if better sources have been found...the only thing is that both complete scores add up to only around 40 minutes, so if you're feeling generous filling the disc out with the otherwise-unrelated Shock Treatment (which could *really* use a better source) would be nice.
Anna and the King + A Tree Grows in Brooklyn -- For me probably the highlights of the Goldsmith at Fox box. Lovely, delicate music; some of Jerry's best for TV. This only made up about 30 minutes on the box, but I was wondering if that was everything Goldsmith recorded for these. I guess Tree might just be a brief score, but considering Anna and the King on the box was music from multiple episodes, I'd be kinda shocked if there wasn't more that Goldsmith wrote and recorded besides those 16 minutes! If there is more this would be an AMAZING re-release. And I guess you could tack on the surviving bits of Fate Is the Hunter to be nice to collectors...maybe your audio guy can work wonders with the sound quality on that (haven't new techniques been found in the last several years to deal with wow?)
I'm guessing the 13.5 minutes of The Chairman that were included was all that survived on the master tapes (and sadly all but a minute was overlap with the existing LP)...but if more was found of that score, even in mono it'd make a great release on its own.
I guess the last thing anyone will re-release individually from the box set is S*P*Y*S (aside from Damnation Alley unless some solution is found for the missing synth tracks) but to me that's a shame because I found it a lot of fun, especially the zany "Anybody Got a Key?" with it's classical quotes, synthesizers, and Russian male choir sound!
Yavar
La La Land was confused about Breakhart Pass - in fact, what is on their CD is the complete score - the "missing" cue, which has been explained by Jeff Bond in the other Goldsmith thread, is a tracked in cue in the film (The Boxcar) into one of the final scenes. So, it's all there. Time will tell what our two releases are but I do love Breakhart Pass.
It's one of Jerry's best westerns!
MV
I agree! It sets the pulse to racing and has great themes. I actually am very fond of the film, too.
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