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 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The chief reason for mono mixes of pop music was radio. It was for the most part, mono. Radio stations broadcasting over the AM band that played pop music were all broadcasting in mono.

It's an entirely different world today.


Yes it is a different world today. The chief reason for mono mixes of pop music at the time the Beatles were recording their music was not just radio, it was because music in general was presented in mono. Stereo existed, but was brand spanking new and very few people had the technology to play it, least of all the younger market that the Beatles were appealing to. At the time stereo and mono were not compatible, and mono was the universal standard.


The Beatles in mono are different mixes than the Beatles in stereo - sometimes significantly so. Of course there's a market for them - some people prefer the mono mixes - if I'm remembering correctly, those were the mixes that they spent the most time on on the early stuff.

Indeed they are very different (often featuring entirely different takes). The Beatles or George Martin were barely involved in any of the stereo mixes until around about Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. This was part of the reason why George Martin remixed Help and Rubber Soul in 1987 for their original CD release (this mix is included in the stereo version; the original 1965 stereo mixes are preserved in the mono box set following the respective original mono program).


As for Spartacus: it's a gargantuan release. I can't wait to hear it in good sound at last!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   tobid   (Member)

Wouldn't it be funny if these Love Theme Variations would actually work well on CD? I mean, there are only very few good monothematic scores out there, but there surely are some. Maybe these versions by so many different composers are well arranged and work as an album (or better: two albums). I find all these dismissing comments quite premature given that no one has heard these discs yet, even though I can understand those who say that they can't afford it and would rather have a basic version with only the score.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I like how every message board argument of the past five years eventually devolves into accusations about who's a "true fan" and who isn't. The Internet, the ultimate evolution in communications technology, has devolved us all into a bunch of tribal cave men. That's a science fiction story right there...

+1

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

People who are waiting for a less expensive reissue will probably be disappointed since I have never seen reissues of club releases.


From the old CD Club days (incl. Mr. T.'s own speciality label FMS something...), a couple of titles have been reissued:

- The boys from Brazil
- The wild geese
- Cherry 2000
- The reivers
- Obsession
- Flesh + blood
- The howling

Red Sonja is coming soon.

It's only a matter a time and then we'll see Predator and Die Hard restored and reissued.

This will also happen to Spartacus. Unless, Mr. T. holds and sits on the licence for another 20 years = until his retirement.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Senojanaidni   (Member)

I am SPARTACUS! no it's me , no it's me...
WELL, crucify them all...

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

What I can't believe is that this has gone on for 444 (now 445) posts. Either buy the godamn thing or don't.
I bought it. Will I listen to the love theme variations? Maybe. They are not important.
What is there is one of the greatest scores ever written.
I am really glad to have it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

I like how every message board argument of the past five years eventually devolves into accusations about who's a "true fan" and who isn't. The Internet, the ultimate evolution in communications technology, has devolved us all into a bunch of tribal cave men. That's a science fiction story right there...

I've started to grow weary of this myself. Who here has the right to decide whether I'm a fan or not or to what extent my love of film music qualifies me to be one relative to their personally fabricated definition. There are many levels of fandom and ways to appreciate this art form and all are perfectly valid. Sometimes it seems to come down to "If you aren't a fan the same way I am or don't agree with my beliefs in what a fan shold be, then you are not a true fan." Where have I heard this type of thinking before?

Personally I listen to the scores I buy over and over even studying some musically while constantly returning to listen to them over the years. I just plain love this music. Sounds to me like I might just be a film music fan even by the most basic standards. However, now it seems that since I really like this Spartacus release that has been labeled as not being meant for "true" film music fans, that I'm not really a fan after all. It seems I'm just a collector, speculator and the like. Glad someone helped me figure that out after decades of falsely believing I was a actually a dedicated film score fan. Turns out it was lies, all lies and I've been deceiving myself for 40 plus years now. What a frikkin' waste of time!

Sometimes in instances like this all you have left is a little sarcasm before the final sigh. wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Hermit   (Member)

The worst part of this release is that I'm going to have to wait over a month before it begins shipping!

I was just going over (again!) the contents of everything that will be included and I'm as excited as hell to be getting this with all its voluminous offerings. I'm fortunate enough at this time to be able afford it (which hasn't always been the case) and take advantage of this release and I hope all who really want this will somehow manage to make the purchase. I am sorry for those who find it beyond their means - pity it isn't offered a la carte - but it IS a celebration for Mr. Townson, Varese and Alex North's score. This is how they have chosen to celebrate it and I won't take anything away from them for wanting it this way.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Whatever one makes of the love theme "interpretations" by contemporary composers, their existence does constitute a remarkable tribute to Alex North. Has anything similar been done for any other composer? Can you even imagine such a thing? The absence of a version by John Williams does stand out, however, since Williams has made arrangements of material by Steiner, Korngold, Rozsa, Young, etc., for his Cinema Serenade 2 album with Itzhak Perlman. (I don't have no. 1. Did it include anything by North?)

On many occasions and to a greater degree. Body & Soul, Invitation, Stella By Starlight and a more modern tune Exodus main theme. I don't think the Spartacus love theme is a standard for improvisers? Still it's a good one worth checking out.

I'm looking forward to the hyped mono quality, as I've already heard a near complete stereo version from who knows where.

Finest score of Hollywood must be bought in every instance of publication, in my book anyway.



I'm not talking about pop versions of movie themes, which have of course been legion (and largely loathsome). What is extraordinary here (like it or not) is the number of present-day composers taking up the special challenge of doing a "tribute" version to honor a particular score of a colleague.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

This sounds exhausting!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)



The thread or the score?

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Whatever one makes of the love theme "interpretations" by contemporary composers, their existence does constitute a remarkable tribute to Alex North. Has anything similar been done for any other composer? Can you even imagine such a thing? The absence of a version by John Williams does stand out, however, since Williams has made arrangements of material by Steiner, Korngold, Rozsa, Young, etc., for his Cinema Serenade 2 album with Itzhak Perlman. (I don't have no. 1. Did it include anything by North?)

"one cd of interprations of the "Love theme' from SPARTACUS is one cd too many!"
-Sen. Joe McCarthy

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

Well, as they say, some people prefer oysters and some people prefer snails. Although in this case it seems like most people would have been happy with both the oysters and the snails, they just weren't expecting to have to pay for lobster.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I am going to wait until LALALAND releases their version - "for the first time the complete score of SPARTACUS in stereo"!
smile
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I like how every message board argument of the past five years eventually devolves into accusations about who's a "true fan" and who isn't. The Internet, the ultimate evolution in communications technology, has devolved us all into a bunch of tribal cave men. That's a science fiction story right there...

I've started to grow weary of this myself. Who here has the right to decide whether I'm a fan or not .......?


OTHER THAN me, NO ONE has the right

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Well, as they say, some people prefer oysters and some people prefer snails. Although in this case it seems like most people would have been happy with both the oysters and the snails, they just weren't expecting to have to pay for lobster.

But then there's the question of whether you'll have your lobster in the Blue Shadows or the Purple Hills. Anyone getting it wrong shall be ... crucified.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Ed Nassour   (Member)

Well, as they say, some people prefer oysters and some people prefer snails. Although in this case it seems like most people would have been happy with both the oysters and the snails, they just weren't expecting to have to pay for lobster.

But then there's the question of whether you'll have your lobster in the Blue Shadows or the Purple Hills. Anyone getting it wrong shall be ... crucified.


When I order oysters on the half shell I don't expect several waiters to show up at my table singing the praises of oysters.

"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one."

P.S.

I detest escargot!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

So much total nonsense has been posted in this thread up to this point that I'm exceedingly embarrassed for all of us.

I feel the same... at the risk of sounding melodramatic, the level of ingratitude in this thread makes me want to leave this message board for good. I can't abide the idea of being lumped in with so many spoiled children.


Sarge, please don't leave! You're one of the nicest persons I know. I always enjoy talking to you, you have a great temperment and are easy to talk too. You're awesome buddy!smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

Thanks, Henry. Don't worry pal, I'm not going anywhere. And thanks to Essankay for his kind words. cool

Robert Townson responds to the fans -

http://www.varesesarabande.com/News.asp

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2010 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Robert Townson addresses some of your "issues" here:

http://www.varesesarabande.com/News.asp

Ya whiny be-atches.

James

 
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