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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

A picture is worth a thousand words....



Neil

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

The great and powerful Bulk knows all... smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Why would you think that? The Search For Spock was a direct follow up to The Wrath Of Khan and both scores were by the same composer who developed many of the themes from the prior film. It's pretty reasonable to assume both scores were on his mind. It's not like he had no idea of the desire for TSFS until TWOK was released.

Creatively, maybe, but not from a contractual / business point of view.

It's the fact that they were owned by different labels that got me thinking TWOK was likely a one-off, and the reply below indicates that Trek III was NOT a natural follow on from Trek II.

Note this:
Incidentally, I have received more than a few suggestions to release Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Really, you don't say?

To me this indicates that it is obvious to him that there is a high demand for it, and in an ideal world, it would be out there from FSM already.

I am well aware of the demand for a complete-score Star Trek III but it's not something that follows naturally from Star Trek II, given that the LP rights are controlled by a different company (EMI, not Atlantic Records) and it's a little bit like starting from scratch.

This tells me that at that time, he was THINKING about the deal, but had not yet started on getting it done. He was theorizing about the difficulty of getting the deal sorted out.

Just going by the quote from Lukas you mention:

Incidentally, I have received more than a few suggestions to release Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Really, you don't say? … I am well aware of the demand for a complete-score Star Trek III but it's not something that follows naturally from Star Trek II, given that the LP rights are controlled by a different company (EMI, not Atlantic Records) and it's a little bit like starting from scratch.

Sounds to me like something that can't be whipped together in the "less than a year" between the release of Trek II and III. A few years ago there was a thread on this board about score CD suggestions. The reply from Lukas was something like "anything you suggest we've already thought of." That was back before the studios loosened up. Unless he pipes up to the contrary, I'm more than willing to accept Lukas had the two-fer in mind from the start. Whether he could pull it off is another thing, but reaction to the Khan CD was probably just confirmation.


Thought of, but does that equate to justified from a business perspective?

Without Trek II proving itself, there would be no guarantees with regards to other Star Trek titles.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Thank you Neil and Lukas for clarifying the subject! As I said before, loving the release.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I am not sure what people are debating. I think I had in the back of my mind from the moment that the Paramount Pictures projects got underway that both Star Trek II and III would be fantastic to release. We did Star Trek II with Rhino (Atlantic) and Paramount but it was only near the ending of that that I got back in touch with EMI -- they had a new person and seemingly new policies every few months -- and started on Trek III. We are not working on any more Trek movie scores at the moment.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   dwirving68   (Member)

First time posting. Got this CD yesterday and I am loving this music. Thanx to all involved for this and for the Trek II expanded CD. Amazing stuff. Can't wait for more Trek music.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

I am not sure what people are debating. I think I had in the back of my mind from the moment that the Paramount Pictures projects got underway that both Star Trek II and III would be fantastic to release. We did Star Trek II with Rhino (Atlantic) and Paramount but it was only near the ending of that that I got back in touch with EMI -- they had a new person and seemingly new policies every few months -- and started on Trek III. We are not working on any more Trek movie scores at the moment.

Lukas


Believe me, we're all happy that you've released II and III. If you don't release any others, that's all right because of what we have now. smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I am not sure what people are debating. I think I had in the back of my mind from the moment that the Paramount Pictures projects got underway that both Star Trek II and III would be fantastic to release. We did Star Trek II with Rhino (Atlantic) and Paramount but it was only near the ending of that that I got back in touch with EMI -- they had a new person and seemingly new policies every few months -- and started on Trek III. We are not working on any more Trek movie scores at the moment.

Lukas


We're just being conspiracy theorists with a large dose of wishful thinking smile

Thanks for these releases BTW, they are superb as usual from you guys !!!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

We are not working on any more Trek movie scores at the moment.

Lukas





They're not working on the Trek MOVIE scores at the moment.

Know what I what I mean?

Not on the MOVIE scores.

Get it?



Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

I’m not sure if this is covered in the liner notes – I understand that there were thoughts of recording the score in England at some point. Perhaps nothing more substantial than that but I seem to recall a brief note from 1984, made by engineer Eric Tomlinson, indicating possible start dates for scoring.

The score could have been recorded at Abbey Road Studios and possibly involved the London Symphony Orchestra. The end of the Anvil-Abbey Road alliance in 1984, due to overbookings of Studio 1 by EMI, may have been one reason that this did not eventuate. Budget and other political considerations are likely to have played roles too. Horner and Tomlinson had previously recorded the BRAINSTORM album, THE DRESSER and UNCOMMON VALOR together. The latter was scored at Paramount’s Stage M leading to further speculation that, instead of recording in England, Tomlinson may have travelled to Paramount for TREK III. Irrespective, and unfortunately, the memories of Mr Tomlinson cannot recall any further detail and documentation I have seen doesn't shed any more light. Anecdotally, it may be of interest, though.

The new TREK III release is a definite purchase for me (after I move house!) – thanks Lukas and team!

Cheers
Chris

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2010 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

We are not working on any more Trek movie scores at the moment.
Lukas


At the moment.....

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2010 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

Been listening to this almost nonstop since I got it. Simply fantastic job, FSM!

"Docking the Enterprise," while unfortunately tagged onto "Klingons," is strikingly poignant. A real album highlight. If only Abram's Star Trek had just one scene with the grace and class that one does!


I'm glad the track was not separated - I think it works very well in one track.

There is some wonderful reflective music here -- Genesis Sunset is just awesome.
I'm glad they didn't go with Leonard Rosenmann for this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2010 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I am not sure what people are debating. I think I had in the back of my mind from the moment that the Paramount Pictures projects got underway that both Star Trek II and III would be fantastic to release. We did Star Trek II with Rhino (Atlantic) and Paramount but it was only near the ending of that that I got back in touch with EMI -- they had a new person and seemingly new policies every few months -- and started on Trek III. We are not working on any more Trek movie scores at the moment.

Lukas


We're just being conspiracy theorists with a large dose of wishful thinking smile

Thanks for these releases BTW, they are superb as usual from you guys !!!!



Yes we are and thanks again!

The labels know the demand; I'm sure someone out there is working on something Trek-related.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2010 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

Just received mine this morning and the first listen almost brought tears to my eyes. The sound is so crisp and the music itself is pure nostalgia for me. I was 16 years old when this movie came out and for me it's up there with TWOK as one of the better Treks. James Horner did a superb job and this score has a bigger emotional resonance for me. After listening to all these eighties and nineties scores' from mister Horner I really do wonder, 'where has all this talent gone?'

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   DanH   (Member)

Mike M did state in another thread about IV main title and cut - either he have the score ans have listened to it on cd or else he is actually working with the tape to give is the score next year

While I have to add my love for this release of III (and very glad for the 2CD set after listening to the new cues), a limited release of IV might not be a wild a thought if that means we get this cue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VkCW7Xdpsc

I don't know if it's just a recut of the rest of Rosenman's score or not. Jeff, are you still out there?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

It sounds like a cut and paste job to me. However, i would love a remastered or possibly extended version of Rosenman's score.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Got mine the other day. Fantastic release from FSM as usual.

Perfect image for the back of the case.

A big thank you to FSM.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Maestro   (Member)

Got mine the other day. Fantastic release from FSM as usual.

Ditto.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Got mine the other day. Fantastic release from FSM as usual.

I ordered mine on release day and it still hasn't arrived. I've gotta move to your side of town, Mutant. East end mail service sucks. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   El Aurence   (Member)

Received mine today.

Beautiful release, very nice artwork.

The music is stunning.

'Stealing the Enterprise' is a cue I always stand up to and shout "hooray"!

Star Trek is a universe I would really love to be a part of. There is a photo in the booklet where members of the star fleet are in lounge or something similar. Outside the windows you can see the Enterprise... . This is also some kind of romantic.

Today I'll listen to this brillant score over headphones and dream to go, where no FSM'er has gone before.

'Outland' is yet to come, Tootsie too.

What a great hobby!

Thanks FSM!

 
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