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 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Unfortunately I am musically educated, and when Zimmer reaches that chord in the very first track of the album, the choir starts to do a warm up with german vowels a e i o u. This is taking me out immediately, sounds silly to me. Why german vowels, for Kryptonn heritage? Of course Zimmer does not know choirs use this as warm-up all the time.

YOR just talked with a friend from Portugal and he assured that the choir is singing A E I O U... in portuguese!

He said it was the most ridiculous thing he ever heard in his entire life!

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I am not a huge fan of Hans Zimmer´s work.

I am not even a big fan of his work. I like some of his scores from the 90´s and his comedy scores.

I think he struck gold with his sound and way of composing, became a factory, a small industry that monopolized film scores for blockbusters and influenced the new generation of producers and studio executives as much as movie audiences. To the point that other ways of composing scores became "old school", "outdated" in the minds of these people.

Others who grew up during the Silver Age of film scores became resentful, naturally, because their idea of film scores was on its way of becoming extinct. One might argue whether this is just the natural order of things, some eras ending, some beginning. Sometimes the old ways will be new again, or at least refreshed, as in the era of John Williams´ 70´s scores.

One might also argue that the complexity of film scores composed by the Golden and the Silver Age is a sign for a greater intelligence and ability at work. Hans Zimmer has not composed in that style yet, and as long as he does not offer that kind of score, one might believe that his skills indeed are inferior.

One thing is clear: Zimmer is a minimalist. Someone whose pop music roots are always easy to detect, even now.

But something else is very clear as well: his scores work. Sometimes they just rehash ideas, sometimes they are experimenting with new soundscapes, sometimes they invent new things.

Now, I was prepared to hate his MAN OF STEEL score. I am an unabashed Williams fan. His SUPERMAN score, IMO, is one of the biggest achievements in film score history.

When I heard the samples of MOS a few weeks ago I was extremely disappointed. I thought Zimmer´s Batman scores were not more than mediocre (and the best ideas came from JNH), but the MOS score, judging from the samples, was even worse. A wasted opportunity.

Then I saw the trailer which featured Zimmer´s score - and I was pleasantly surprised. I liked the theme. No, I loved it, I admit it. But still I was sceptical of the whole work. However, I wanted to give it a chance.

Today I got the Deluxe Edition of the score.

And... I´m sorry, YOR, and all the others who are outraged - but this is not a bad score at all. It is typically Zimmer, through and through, but it does feature themes, and a very good one for Superman himself.

Zimmer, IMO, has not worked as hard on a score for years. He delivers great melodies, he experiments and tries to create something new. Not everything succeeds - but for me it works.

Sorry, guys. I cannot join the "hate gang". I like MOS.


 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I am not a huge fan of Hans Zimmer´s work - blah blah blah blah - Sorry, guys. I cannot join the "hate gang". I like MOS.

Then I am in good company.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

He said it was the most ridiculous thing he ever heard in his entire life!

How lucky that it's all down hill from here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

I like this score okay, but it is a little too bombastic and not enough thematic material for me. I do like the themes that he has but they go nowhere like others have pointed out. I usually hope that a score will have at least as much thematic, quiet, introspective music as bombastic action cues. This usually assures that the action cues are more thematic as well. I was hoping for something of a cross between Angels and Demons and The Dark Knight Rises. Unfortunately we got The Dark Knight Rises on steroids. I think that a composer that I would like to see get some feature film work is Ron Jones. I think that he could have done a great job with this! I love his "Best of Both Worlds," and "Ducktales" music. What does anyone think about this choice?

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

One thing is clear: Zimmer is a minimalist. Someone whose pop music roots are always easy to detect, even now.

But something else is very clear as well: his scores work.


YOR understand that taste is something subjective.

But to say that Zimmer's scores works simlple is not true.

Sometimes his scores did not harm the movies, like those for "Batman" trilogy.

But most of the time his scores are annoying and detract the movie a lot.

It is understandable that teenagers like that kind of abysmall noise he produces, since they are most testosterone pumpers.

But one thing YOR agrees: Hanzimmer is in fact a minimalist. His knowledge of music is minimal and his interest in becoming better at that is also minimal. He is doing the same shit for the last two decades, making some good money and becoming the most influential film composer of lately. So, why bother? Just relax and press "start" on the "Make Yourself A Film Score" software...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

I think that a composer that I would like to see get some feature film work is Ron Jones. I think that he could have done a great job with this! I love his "Best of Both Worlds," and "Ducktales" music. What does anyone think about this choice?

That totally makes sense.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

Does Arnold Schwarzenegger have tattoos?
Does Sylvester Stallone have tattoos?
I’m lost there?
Just because you have muscles?
Then maybe I should get a tattoo. (Maybe I should get my ear pierced as well).
Do You?
Almost everyone has them, and the government is advertising them.
So I guess – “It’s Cool”
Just like Zack Snyder!
Does Snyder take drugs?
I believe you answered your own question!

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I am not a huge fan of Hans Zimmer´s work - blah blah blah blah - Sorry, guys. I cannot join the "hate gang". I like MOS.

Then I am in good company.


Me too.

I like a good portion of what I've heard. Whether it will stand the test of time we will see but I like this score in general. Perhaps Hans never really got past the huge mantle of responsibility of handling this iconic character and did a sort of compositional "deer in headlights" since I will agree with Mike that some of the ideas are unformed or not developed to a point that even classic Hans would see through. His 2 note alternating phrase of tonic-dominant, tonic -sub dominant is a terrific beginning of a main theme. But when it's repeated ad nauseum with no counter melody it ends up feeling just like- a counter melody with no stronger main theme to contrast it with.

I like Zimmer's use of electronic textures and I noticed him using the major 7th inversion and cycle of 4ths in a couple places- music devices he hasn't explored before.

The drumming I'm less enthusiastic about. It is very basic rhythmic patterns and I'm not sure I will ever warm to them. I find, by comparison, Brian Tyler's rhythmic sensibilities more interesting on scores like Fast Five and Now you See Me.

I think that there are a sub set of listeners who do like Zimmer but are a little disappointed in what is perceived to be a hap hazard effort from a very bigl composer. What I like, I like quite a bit. What I don't, I press "skip" on my iPod.

Glad to own the score nonetheless.


 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I keep playing this. I guess I don't hate it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

Does Arnold Schwarzenegger have tattoos?
Does Sylvester Stallone have tattoos?
I’m lost there?
Just because you have muscles?
Then maybe I should get a tattoo. (Maybe I should get my ear pierced as well).
Do You?
Almost everyone has them, and the government is advertising them.
So I guess – “It’s Cool”
Just like Zack Snyder!
Does Snyder take drugs?
I believe you answered your own question!


I do have tattoos and I do work out. I don't understand why you made the statement that having tattoos like Zack Synder does actually allows you to make an "assumption" on his merit of a film maker.

It is "to me" [and I could be wrong] to say something like "And so and so is a drug user so you cannot possibly take their output seriously" be it music, movies, books, etc.

I think Zack Synder actually knows A LOT about MUSIC and it is quiet evident from the music he uses in the TRAILERS and in the actual films he directs. He DOES understand film score and I personally feel he is becoming more and more an interesting director.

I do wish his films where perhaps a bit better in the story department but in all others INCLUDING score and music, he nails it!

You are free to dislike and making your own opinions about the Zimmer score but at no point do you or ANYONE have any right to tell a film maker that they know nothing about the choices they make for their film.

People here dislike Reznor and Ross but that didn't stop them from winning an Oscar for THE SOCIAL NETWORK or to continue work on THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO directed by DAVID FINCHER who has directed some great films and worked with some AMAZING composers.

People also disliked HANNA but Joe Wright choose to work with THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS instead of Dario Marionelli whom has scored some amazing work with Mr. Wright... so who are we to tell him that he made a mistake by working with the Brothers over Marionelli?

I've seen the film and it is a big bold blockbuster with wall to wall score and a very simple yet effect score. It is indeed made for the masses but what does one expect from Zimmer, Synder, Nolan, Goyer, and a 225 million dollar budget?

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR likes Snider's WATCHMEN a lot.

But the music is so-so. Could be MUCH better and it would help the movie to be even better.

The guy's notion of film music is not very good, that is for sure.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

Anyone notice the iTunes version is different from the CD?

The CD is GAPLESS while the iTunes version is actually stand alone tracks without the cross fade.

I have the disc and am looking at the iTunes running times which are a little different.

Also has anyone gotten the Digital Download featuring the DTS X Headphone files...anyone can comment on this?

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Bummer - I ordered the CD, although I do much prefer clean endings.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

YOR likes Snider's WATCHMEN a lot.

But the music is so-so. Could be MUCH better and it would help the movie to be even better.

The guy's notion of film music is not very good, that is for sure.



Hah, even YOR has bad taste in films sometime. Hack Zack's Watchmen is abysmal; Hack Zack lacks proper philosophical thinking, scientific education and appreciation of the intricacy of the English language to understand Moore's Watchmen the book.

Hence he made a frame-by-frame replication of the book, butchering the dialogues and leaving out some of the most important parts of the book. The result is a distortion of the original message, a shallow me-too grim-dark superhero fastfood in the wake of The Dark Knight.

YOR is right about the music though. It's even worse than abysmal, if that's even possible. Even the use of Philip Glass, instead of some neo-minimalist like John Adams, to represent Doc Manhattan, shows that Hack Zack doesn't even have the slightest clue of what Moore/Doc Manhattan was talking about in Chapter 4 of the book.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   cdelelee   (Member)



Look, Zack Snyder is not your classic director! Just watch him in those interviews. All those Tattoos!

What does he know about a Symphony Orchestra!?



You just won the 2013 Most Stupid Comment Award.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)



Also has anyone gotten the Digital Download featuring the DTS X Headphone files...anyone can comment on this?


I got the disc in part to grab the DTS headphone track and it was a glitchy mess that couldn't play more than 3 seconds of audio without snap-snap-snapping. Awful. I was going to give it a few days for them to maybe update it, but I don't think the score is good enough to really bother (outside of that music from the trailer).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)



Look, Zack Snyder is not your classic director! Just watch him in those interviews. All those Tattoos!

What does he know about a Symphony Orchestra!?



You just won the 2013 Most Stupid Comment Award.


Last time I attended a Shostakovich symphony, I saw a whole bunch of senior citizens, nerdy looking young men with glasses and Asian bookworm types.

What I did not see, was a lot of the muscular dudebros with tattoos.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

This thread has got completely ridiculous.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

For me there will always only be one Superman soundtrack of any merit, courtesy of Mr. John Williams. Zimmer? Bah!

Listenin' to EW* Radio this mornin'
and every time discussion of MOS came up they played Williams' theme
from the 1978 film!
Is that an iconic theme, or not?
smile
bruce

*that's ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, not erik woods


This mornin' they had Hans himself on to talk about his score.
very informative.
check it out if you have SiriusXm radio
brm

 
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