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 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

I started to listen to this and 4 tracks into it, I had to turn it off... it was nothing but noise to my ears. I'd rather listen to Superman Returns score than this Turd Of Steel.

The Zimmerities Horde: "Now you will be stoned to death!"

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I started to listen to this and 4 tracks into it, I had to turn it off... it was nothing but noise to my ears. I'd rather listen to Superman Returns score than this Turd Of Steel.

The Zimmerities Horde: "Now you will be stoned to death!"


Haha, probably.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

Just seen this movie and while I liked the fresh "alien" content with space ships, robots, and "movie" science the film is rather depressing in strong way. Just about every character is on the outs, in trouble, paranoid, or miserable. Jeeze, the 80's Superman wouldn't approve in this misery fest. I wouldn't call it a bad film but more forgettable and it needs some light moments in it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I like a lot of this score. I do wonder though what it would have sounded like if say Don Davis had scored it...hmmm. But that's just my own curiosity mind you.

The reviews for the film are generally not great from the sound of it. Pity as I was looking forward to this revisionist version. Maybe Clint Eastwood should have written and directed this and he could have played an aged Superman coming out of retirement. The score would have been a quiet piano based one with some tense string swells at the dramatic moments (like when he's reaching for his Imodium).

I think Zimmer's score is collateral damage where the criticism is concerned. He's not the captain of the ship but he's still going down with it. I know I will enjoy this music on its own for a while. It is what it is.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

Horrible music.

Just your questionable opinion. At least your admit it's music.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Landstander   (Member)

I'm really not understanding the mixed/negative reaction to the film.

For context, here are my grades so far for the movies this summer:

Star Trek: C+
Iron Man 3: C+
Oblivion: B+
Man of Steel: Strong B+

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Sean   (Member)

I traditionally loathe the Wall Of Sound that passes for most action movie scores these days, but I admit to appreciating Zimmer's output in the film proper. (I guess it doesn't hurt that I liked the movie, too.)

Count me among the marginally satisfied this go-round.

cool

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

Well I saw the film yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it-a much darker take on Superman-the Krypton sequences that begin the film are visually stunning-so different from Donner's take.

Admittedly Snyder takes his 'throw everything at it including the kitchen sink' approach to new levels but at least it isn't US-centric and Superman's practice flights around the world are beautifully done-the scenes where he scatters the herds of animals on an African savannah were beautiful.

Cavill is very creditable in the main role, as are pretty much all of the cast-Shannon's Zod could kill, roast and eat Stamp's and spit out the bones-he has a scary-eyed intensity and is a great villain and much preferable to using Lex Luthor in every film.

Zimmer's take on the music is interesting-it doesn't always work IMO-the minimal theme for Superman is a contrast to William's much loved (by me) theme, but it doesn't really go anywhere-I felt that maybe it should have built to something more by the end.

Having said that, given the visual and aural pyrotechnics onscreen, a larger approach may have been overwhelming-maybe in this case, less is more?

The one thing I actively disliked was the electric guitar in the short love scene-rather reminded me of the Broken Arrow score, which I am not a fan of.

I have the CD on pre-order (deluxe, natch) and am looking forward to a listen away from the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Sean   (Member)

I am not a huge fan of Hans Zimmer´s work.

I am not even a big fan of his work. I like some of his scores from the 90´s and his comedy scores.

I think he struck gold with his sound and way of composing, became a factory, a small industry that monopolized film scores for blockbusters and influenced the new generation of producers and studio executives as much as movie audiences. To the point that other ways of composing scores became "old school", "outdated" in the minds of these people.

Others who grew up during the Silver Age of film scores became resentful, naturally, because their idea of film scores was on its way of becoming extinct. One might argue whether this is just the natural order of things, some eras ending, some beginning. Sometimes the old ways will be new again, or at least refreshed, as in the era of John Williams´ 70´s scores.

One might also argue that the complexity of film scores composed by the Golden and the Silver Age is a sign for a greater intelligence and ability at work. Hans Zimmer has not composed in that style yet, and as long as he does not offer that kind of score, one might believe that his skills indeed are inferior.

One thing is clear: Zimmer is a minimalist. Someone whose pop music roots are always easy to detect, even now.

But something else is very clear as well: his scores work. Sometimes they just rehash ideas, sometimes they are experimenting with new soundscapes, sometimes they invent new things.

Now, I was prepared to hate his MAN OF STEEL score. I am an unabashed Williams fan. His SUPERMAN score, IMO, is one of the biggest achievements in film score history.

When I heard the samples of MOS a few weeks ago I was extremely disappointed. I thought Zimmer´s Batman scores were not more than mediocre (and the best ideas came from JNH), but the MOS score, judging from the samples, was even worse. A wasted opportunity.

Then I saw the trailer which featured Zimmer´s score - and I was pleasantly surprised. I liked the theme. No, I loved it, I admit it. But still I was sceptical of the whole work. However, I wanted to give it a chance.

Today I got the Deluxe Edition of the score.

And... I´m sorry, YOR, and all the others who are outraged - but this is not a bad score at all. It is typically Zimmer, through and through, but it does feature themes, and a very good one for Superman himself.

Zimmer, IMO, has not worked as hard on a score for years. He delivers great melodies, he experiments and tries to create something new. Not everything succeeds - but for me it works.

Sorry, guys. I cannot join the "hate gang". I like MOS.


Agreed on all counts.

cool

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

BTW I'm not outraged I just find the "score" unlistenable. It's nothing but noise to my ears. I prefer the score for Superman Returns over this ....whatever you'd like to call it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   dpsternan   (Member)

Totally agree! I love the score to S. Returns.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Landstander   (Member)

Does anyone have an initial hack on the chronological order of the album--including the deluxe tracks?

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I saw the film last night, and thought it was quite bad. Diverting enough for the first hour but with a completely deadening last hour of ACTION-AND-NOTHING-ELSE ....

Unfortunately, we have to 'accept' the fact that all modern action films will be like this...even the good ones like AVENGERS & SKYFALL
frown
One reason why i choose to watch these films on dvd and not in theaters
frown
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

Does anyone have an initial hack on the chronological order of the album--including the deluxe tracks?

Unless you have the iTunes or Amazon MP3 versions with clean cuts, it makes no real matter as the CD version is gap less.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

My review of the album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

BTW I'm not outraged I just find the "score" unlistenable. It's nothing but noise to my ears. I prefer the score for Superman Returns over this ....whatever you'd like to call it.

BTW I'm not outraged I just find the "score" unlistenable. It's nothing but noise to my ears. I prefer the score for Superman Returns over this ....whatever you'd like to call it.

I saw the film this evening here in the UK.

For me the music was a wall of sound that was completely overwhelming and unbearably loud. That may have been the fault of the threatre. It was so bad I had to cover my ears at one point. It overwhelmed in such a way that it was like an auditory fog so I could not immerse myself in what I was seeing and so experience the film's narrative thrust and emotional impact on me. I was being pounded by what seemed to me to be a predominantly monothematic cue that never ended.

I agree with the rotten Tomatoes aggragate of 57% for the film. There was a really fine film in there but I personally thought it was also overwhelmed by a conglomeration of cgi visuals that seemed to be coming from a bit of John Carter of Mars, a bit of Prometheus, The Avengers and Independence Day. I thought the Krypton scenes were overly drawn out as was the final third of the film. For me, the most powerful parts of the film were the scenes of the non Superman Clark Kent saving the children on the bus and the splendid oil rig scene of him crunching away the door and walking through the flames. Brilliant. But it was all destroyed by a totally unecessary monstrosity of a battle sequence at the end that could have been much much shorter and not so blatantly derivative. It was just so pointless for the plot.

Why is there a school of thought that 'more is better'. It certain cases it most certainly isn't.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

My review of the album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683


Having read your review I think it echoes my experience of the score quite accurately. I have enjoyed some of Zimmers output but I have not enjoyed anything of his since King Arthur and Batman Begins.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   dpsternan   (Member)

My review of the album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683


Excellent review - I agree on all points.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

My review of the album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/?p=3683


Excelente review, friend!

YOR laugh a lot with ”General Zod opens with some even stranger noises, this time resembling one of the songs Ross played on his keyboard in that episode of Friends".

Indeed that was EXACTLY what YOR remebered while listening to this pinacle of movie music turd!

"The name is Zimmer. Hanzimmer!"

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)



But how can anyone without personal relation to these two men attack them by saying statements that imply they themselves understand the music better then the man who created it and the man who commissioned it for "his" film? This is going almost beyond critic and as seems to be the norm for some here... it is just insulting to the artists.

What makes me laugh about this is if some of you who claim to "know better" actually were in charge we'd never get film scores that elevate or SURPASS the finished product since the composer missed the memo he was scoring a terrible film.


You seem like a reasonable guy rather than some of those mindless drones here that adore Zimmer unquestionably as a god so I'll try to reason with you.

Yes people can "understand" the music/film/book/whatever better than its creator.

Think like this: If your three-year-old son made some doodling on the wall, surely one is not prohibited to "understand" it better than said three-year-old because --

(surprise!) It's completely devoid of artistic merit (well maybe the three-year-old may claim otherwise) as it's doodling by a three-year-old who lacks the intelligence and education to understand "art" properly.

Sadly this is the same case with Zimmer. He plainly lacks the proper education (and before you say "Danny Elfman!" you have to realize that Zimmer didn't even attempt to self-educate himself properly unlike Elfman) and artistic sense.

His simplicity is NOT by choice, but only due to his limitations. Any more sophisticated composer can easily imitate Zimmer (Doyle did a great Zimmer-alike with Thor) but when Zimmer tried to do anything complicated, the result is fairly laughable.

As for your last point, basing your argument on a hypothetical is not effective. How would you know the result if I WERE put in charge of Man of Steel?

 
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