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 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

Going to be the lone voice of desent. I don't really care to see this movie get made. And really, With John still doing Star Wars movies I don't need to hear him revisit this franchise. Crystal Skull brought shame on this series and I wish they would leave it at that.

Not so alone... seconded!

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It will need a gag in which 'left' and 'right' or 'long' and 'short' can, and do get screwed up.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 7:00 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I absolutely *LOVE* Indy, and I'm hoping this never gets made. If it does, at least we'll have another excellent JW score.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

They need to bring back Short Round!

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

Yeahhhh....2020, huh?

I wasn't happy at all with the fourth movie. And Harrison Ford was pretty long in the tooth. Can't imagine how he'll do in another 3 years from now.

As for the score to the Crystal Skull, I wasn't impressed at all. Maybe I need to listen to it.....for a second time.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Be sure it's the full score and not the OST. The latter never did it for me, but I do enjoy the former.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Sampo   (Member)

Maybe they'll make Ford up to resemble the old gnarled Indy with the eye patch from the opening segments of YIJC, bothering everyone with his stories & watching soaps on TV. We know that's how he spends his last days.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2017 - 11:37 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Back to the age question:

John Williams will be in his late 80s when he does the score for Indy 5, but there are many actors who kept working well into their 90s such as Ernest Borgnine and Eli Wallach. Williams can certainly go another 10 years if nature allows him.


Of course he can. His mother was almost 100 years old when she died, and hopefully he has inherited her genes.

Plenty of composers who have kept working into their 90s too. Russell Garcia, for example (who -- incidentally -- was one of the first to hire Williams for an album in the mid 50s).


I just hope he will be able to conduct the finished score. Maybe Gustavo Dudamel might be there to give a hand or two. I'll be close to close 49 years then. eek

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2017 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

My take: although they publically stated again and again that Ford will be the only Indiana Jones ever this release date delay indicates that Disney has decided to re-boot without Ford.

And I believe that would be the right decision.

I love Ford. I love him as Indiana Jones. But how can he be that Indiana Jones who withstood the most difficult physical endurance tests when he is approaching 80 years?

C´mon, even the seemingly indestructible Ford will not be able to perform that way again. So an Indiana Jones played by Harrison Ford in 2019 (with the release date one year later) would stand on the sideles mostly - and they would get him a young sidekick (not LaBeauf but someone else)... and that I would find very disappointing.

What I want to see is Indiana Jones in his prime. And yes, it started as a Bond-like series, now it should be allowed to go that way and re-cast, setting his adventures in the 30´s/40´s where they can be the most effective.

As for John Williams - yes, I hope that he could score that film and many more to come. But again, be reasonable. It would already be fantastic to have him score the ninth Star Wars film as well. But old age will catch up with him and force him to work less or not at all.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2017 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Indiana Jones and the...the....Hey You Look Just Like My Cousin Ethel

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2017 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

My take: although they publically stated again and again that Ford will be the only Indiana Jones ever this release date delay indicates that Disney has decided to re-boot without Ford.

And I believe that would be the right decision.

I love Ford. I love him as Indiana Jones. But how can he be that Indiana Jones who withstood the most difficult physical endurance tests when he is approaching 80 years?

C´mon, even the seemingly indestructible Ford will not be able to perform that way again. So an Indiana Jones played by Harrison Ford in 2019 (with the release date one year later) would stand on the sideles mostly - and they would get him a young sidekick (not LaBeauf but someone else)... and that I would find very disappointing.

What I want to see is Indiana Jones in his prime. And yes, it started as a Bond-like series, now it should be allowed to go that way and re-cast, setting his adventures in the 30´s/40´s where they can be the most effective.

As for John Williams - yes, I hope that he could score that film and many more to come. But again, be reasonable. It would already be fantastic to have him score the ninth Star Wars film as well. But old age will catch up with him and force him to work less or not at all.


I still think that the main difference between Indy and Bond regarding recasting is that Indy began life as a cinematic character, played by one actor and every audience member was introduced to him as such. Bond being a literary character means that his initial introduction was in print and thus uniquely created in the mind's eye of each respective reader. In casting Bond, you will of course never match up to every single reader's imagined version, but all you need to do is hew close enough to how the character is described in print. With Indy, everyone knows him as Harrison Ford. Any recasting would basically require another actor to mimic Ford.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2017 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Of course, as soon as I replied above, I then remembered the recasting done for young Indy both at the start of LAST CRUSADE and in the TV series, so maybe my entire point is now moot. Oh well!

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2017 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Coco314   (Member)

Well may be they pushed it back a year because they are nowhere near a shootable script... so better take your time.

My concern is that the concept is still flawed, as it was with "Crystal Skull" : who really wants a 76 years old Indiana Jones adventure movie? I know it is Ford, but would you want a 76 years old Sean Connery Bond movie?

Also, part of the charm of the series has always been the 30s setting for me - they were incredibly exciting adventure movies, but set in the past and starring this cool guy we wanted to be. Now I am older, but I don't secretly dream to be an old Indy in the 60s.
At least, if they face the age issue frontally (something actually rather overlooked in the last one), it could be interesting and original.

I still want an 87 years old John Williams score, though. And another Spielberg/Williams collaboration before that.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2017 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Well may be they pushed it back a year because they are nowhere near a shootable script... so better take your time

Wish they had done that with Crystal Skull instead of shooting the rubbish that David Keppp cobbled together.

Mind you, Koepp is writing (I use that term loosely) the next Indy film so don't hope for a shootable screenplay no matter how far they push the movie back.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2017 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

I'm hoping they do this kind of like the Rock with Sean Connery. You Know, a crack young team
of know it alls are out to retreive an important artifact and Indy, an expert on the artifact is reluctantly cohersed to go along. I'd ike that...i think.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2017 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

My concern is that the concept is still flawed, as it was with "Crystal Skull" : who really wants a 76 years old Indiana Jones adventure movie? I know it is Ford, but would you want a 76 years old Sean Connery Bond movie?

The age-old 'ageism' criticism.

It doesn't matter how old Ford is, IMO. All that matters is how they write the material. Perhaps tone down the physical stunts (or leave it to others in the storyline) and focus more on characters instead, like the YOUNG INDY series (which also features -- in case you've forgotten it -- Indiana Jones in his 90s!).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2017 - 1:57 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Harrison Ford will be 77 in 2019 (when they will likely be filming if they're going for a summer 2020 release). Unless Indy is a supporting character who calls the shots from his rocker on the porch while some other whippersnapper runs around snatching fedoras out of closing doorways and clinging to the sides of trucks—in which case, what's the point?—action will be required. Now, people can still go running and be in relatively good shape at the age of 77, but let's face it, they look creaky with age. That's just a plain cold fact of life. It happens to everyone. It'll happen to me. I have no idea how they are going to put a 77 year-old Harrison Ford into Indy-style action sequences. I don't know that I want to find out. But it's going to happen, that much is certain.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2017 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I can perfectly well understand the point about Ford -- fit for his age as he may be -- not being able to do the 'stunts' of an INDY movie the way he did in the past, even with CGI help or other things. But who says an INDY movie has to be written like that? He can have more of a mentor role, or the film could be more focussed on other aspects or have other angles than the previous movies.

Just look at things like the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA reboot or STARGATE: ATLANTIS or, heck, even ROGUE ONE. They're all part of the same universe, but the approach is vastly different from preceding films and shows. More down-to-earth, less 'gung ho', more serious, perhaps. But still works like gangbusters. I don't see why an Indiana Jones film can't be made the same way. In the YOUNG INDY series -- despite the actor's young age -- a lot of the episodes dealt with exciting character dramas and interactions, and less on the action. And it worked! Including the bookend bits with the 90-year-old-something Indiana Jones kicking off and finishing the 'flashback' stories.

There are two common phenomena I see at play here; one is the 'ageism' that is very prevalent in our society. For some reason, many think you're automatically washed up once you pass 60. Whereas the truth is, many artists have delivered their best work in their 60s, 70s, 80s and even 90s. Second is a form of 'xenophobia', i.e. fear for an approach that might be strange or different than what one is accustomed to. If one is truly a fan of the Indiana Jones universe, one should also be open to other forms of exploration of it, IMO, and not only the same recipe regurgitated time and time again.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2017 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   mortenbond   (Member)

Chris Pratt! ´Nuff said!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2017 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   mortenbond   (Member)

Chris Pratt! ´Nuff said!

 
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