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 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 12:07 AM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Okay, but I still think Christopher Young should...




Maybe next time...





Shut up.

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   Alex Cremers   (Member)

Abrams couldn't contain himself and drooled all over MC in that quote. Perhaps he's proceeding this with caution but I didn't detect any enthusiasm for Williams. "He was there before I was?" Really? That's all he can say?!

John Williams IS Star Wars!



Alex

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Abrams couldn't contain himself and drooled all over MC in that quote. Perhaps he's proceeding this with caution but I didn't detect any enthusiasm for Williams. "He was there before I was?" Really? That's all he can say?!

It might literally be all he can say. When you're working for Disney and Lucas, you not only sign an NDA, you have an explosive implanted in your brain. If you speak about things in any specific sense before they are approved for discussion, they set it off.

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 4:33 AM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

And let's also do a reality check while we're at it... Every director who fantasized about being Spielberg or Lucas (and J.J. clearly modeled himself after both to some degree), also dreamed about getting to work with John Williams. Now that it looks like he's going to do just that - on a Star Wars movie, no less - do you really think he's doing so under protest? Do you think he's privately complaining to friends and colleagues that he's being forced to work with this geriatric old hack whom he hates? Seems unlikely to me.

Zactly!


So now you agree with the speculation that he always fantasized about getting to work with Williams? At least my inferences were based on his actual comments. The above comment is a strawman. Did anybody say he was privately complaining? I'm just saying that his comments, taken at face value, suggest that Giacchino would be his first option based both on what he said and what he didn't say.

If I sounded too absolute about it I of course will readily admit that his comments could be deliberately misleading. And I actually intended to suggest that in the first post which started all this when I said that I can understand his loyalty to Giacchino. Loyalty both in assigments and in how he chooses his words. I could have been more clear, if I had known my comments would spark all of this (not that I mind.) I'd politely suggest we're all getting a little too wound up about this. I'm actually just relieved if this is the direction things are heading. We shall see.


Edit: I just listened to a little bit more of it and Abrams says at about 10:30 that "everything is up for grabs, including who will be the composer." So I guess caution is definitely in order.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Vincent Bernard   (Member)

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

Even if Williams is "forced" on Abrams, that worked out pretty well for Alfonso Cuaron. smile

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)



Haha, of course not! I'd love to hear one. But, as a fan of Giacchino, I will say hooray that Williams appears to be continuing on this franchise as long as he can.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

Edit: I just listened to a little bit more of it and Abrams says at about 10:30 that "everything is up for grabs, including who will be the composer." So I guess caution is definitely in order.

- Adam


To the point that the subject of this thread should really be changed.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

If they want to keep the Williams sound for all three films they should write the drafts all at the same time. Then let Williams write material for new characters and yet un-filmed sequences. It won't be perfect of course, but it would make all three films musically consistent if someone else needs to take over at a later time. Isn't this how he scored Close Encounters?

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)



Certainly not! But it seems safe to assume that if Williams wants to do it he will do it. I just hope he's more inspired by the new film than he was by the prequels, otherwise I'll be extremely sad to not have Giacchino on the job. At least the music won't be spliced and diced and contorted.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

It doesn't get much better than a John Williams Star Wars score.

But, bearing in mind John Williams is likely to be in his 90s by the time Star Wars episode 9 is filmed, if JJ puts a very personal stamp on the films (lens flares and all), it might be better for musical continuity in this trilogy to have Michael Giacchino all the way rather than having a change of musical voice mid-trilogy.

Of course, the use of William's established themes would be required either way. In that case, it would be like a Harry Potter situation.

Since there are now more bad Star Wars films than good ones, I've really gone off Star Wars as an idea. There were two truly magical films in my youth but the whole concept has been spoiled by mediocrity.

JJ might do something special, but to me the Star Wars brand is already soiled. I'm in pretty much just for the music these days.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

But, bearing in mind John Williams is likely to be in his 90s by the time Star Wars episode 9 is filmed, if JJ puts a very personal stamp on the films (lens flares and all)...

Assuming Disney keeps JJ on. This is a "pay for hire" director job. Of course, if its a huge hit, they'd want JJ back - but how many people were surprised with Director A didn't want to do a sequel to Movie B and so on. (Skyfall, Spider-Man 3, Star Wars, etc)

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Lucius   (Member)

There is also the possibility that this could be a Harry Potter 2 situation with Williams writing the themes and Giacchino taking the William Ross role of arranging and filling in the gaps. Either way it's all a guessing game until we get an official word from the powers that be at the Mouse House.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

There is also the possibility that this could be a Harry Potter 2 situation with Williams writing the themes and Giacchino taking the William Ross role of arranging and filling in the gaps.

That's not a good example. Williams wrote the majority of Chamber of Secrets while Ross adapted previous material from the first film to fit into the second film.

The better example would be Superman IV where Williams wrote three new themes and Courage wrote the rest of the original score utilizing Williams' themes.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   meegle   (Member)

Awe. Some.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

A few things, and then I'll shut up. (Not likely.)

If Abrams had been asked "Will Harrison Ford be in the movie," he wouldn't have had a definitive answer for that, either. That wouldn't mean he was secretly hoping to have Simon Pegg play Han Solo.

Yes, Williams is 80. No denying that. But we're not questioning his fitness for a triathlon. He's a composer, and if he has the proper time and is in good health, he can continue composing all by himself. (He claims to compose every day as it is.) Stravinsky continued to compose into his mid-80s, Virgin Thomson into his late-80s, and Elliott Carter published 40 works between the ages of 90 and 100!

And Michael Giacchino is a very much in-demand, Oscar-winning composer. I'm not convinced he has any great desire to spend his time writing "fill-in-the-gaps" music. Of course, anything's possible, and maybe he'd consider it an honor to work with Williams and a favor to his pal Abrams. But it's not really the same situation as with William Ross on "Potter" or Alexander Courage on "Superman IV," neither of whom had thriving careers at the time.

All that said, I have no idea who, in two years time, will have scored "Star Wars: Episode VII: Return of the Avenging Sith Clones." It seems like Williams is the front-runner, which is not surprising. But anything can happen. Always in motion is the future.

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)


If Abrams had been asked "Will Harrison Ford be in the movie," he wouldn't have had a definitive answer for that, either. That wouldn't mean he was secretly hoping to have Simon Pegg play Han Solo.


But unlike Simon Pegg, Giacchino has been his only composer for movies. They collaborate as part of the whole process, not just the music, with Giacchino giving feedback on the story and that kind of thing. They are of the same generation. He's repeatedly expressed the highest admiration for Giacchino. There's reason to believe that Giacchino has been his first pick as a film composer up to this point. So it is not an unreasonable assumption that Abrams would want to continue to be with one of his most important collaborators. Why would Abrams work with Williams for Star Wars when he presumably didn't even try to get him for Star Trek or Super 8, for example. Just like he said, Williams was with Star Wars first. He probably has the highest respect for Williams so I think some have been to quick to imply a level of drama or disrespect that I didn't intend to convey. One can choose to be with their normal collaborator and still look forward to working with somebody else, especially if the somebody else is John Williams. Certainly Abrams must be aware of his stature and talent.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

double post.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

First, I am pretty sure that JJ wouldn't be allowed to use the "lens flares" nonsense. It doesn't "fit" in with all of the rest of the Star Wars movies. One thing that Disney is going to want is to produce a movie that all past fans will feel welcome with and familiar with. This goes beyond "lens flares" but it was a good example mentioned in this thread.

Along those same lines you can guarantee that the John Williams Star Wars Main Title sequence and some other familiar bits will be used no matter who scores this movie. As long as the score is good I honestly don't mind who composes it. John Williams is a natural choice. Keep in mind that Abrams may not be directing the other movies. The only official comments I have read say "Star Wars 7" not 7,8, & 9. So many composers may be used as well as many directors. Lets just hope these films and scores are good.

PS: I already miss the Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare with CinemaScope Extension in the new score. razz

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2013 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   Nexus 6   (Member)

Well said, Adam S.

I can understand some on this board unwilling to take that leap and make the assumption that Abrams is being overruled on choice of composer, but, nonetheless, it is still a reasonable assumption. And it doesn't need to bring with it the implication that Abrams is angry or upset about this, or that he doesn't care for working with Williams.

I'm glad that it is looking like Williams is revisiting the Star Wars universe. I don't think that Giacchino has what it takes to bring anything exciting to this franchise. Well, let me clarify that. I think that Giacchino's music for Star Wars might work sufficiently within the film, but as a standalone experience?... not so much.

 
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