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I agree with the choices of DEAD AGAIN & STAR TREK VI THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY.
Both worked very well indeed as albums, especially ST6 - which for me is the perfect album flow of all the Star Trek movie albums. And Dead Again benefits from a shorter, tighter presentation.
I'll also register disagreement over the excellence of WRATH OF KHAN.
I agree that the original album is great right until the last track. But skipping any/all of the quiet music attending Spock's death, space burial, etc. - the album seemed to forget the emotional payoff of the score. I think that going right from the Mutara battle to the finale/end credits is actually jarring.
It may play fine musically, but soundtrack albums should always be a blend of pure musicality and dramatic flow, and I think KHAN stumbles at the end on the dramatic side.
(And yes, this is the same complaint I made earlier about Goldsmith, so I guess I've discovered another pet peeve!)
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I agree that the original album is great right until the last track. But skipping any/all of the quiet music attending Spock's death, space burial, etc. - the album seemed to forget the emotional payoff of the score. I think that going right from the Mutara battle to the finale/end credits is actually jarring.
That's several minutes of new music. What do you leave off of side 2? Or assuming you move, say Battle in the Mutara Nebula to side 1, what do you bump off of side one?
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I actually think the finale to the Genesis Countdown was a very nice way to segue into the end credits. It didn't go from blistering battle music to the epilogue, it got very wondrous and sad. I always felt the LP was really great for an album presentation.
Now, Star Trek III....that score got shafted in the latter half (for whatever legitimate reasons).
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I actually think the finale to the Genesis Countdown was a very nice way to segue into the end credits. It didn't go from blistering battle music to the epilogue, it got very wondrous and sad. I always felt the LP was really great for an album presentation.
Scott M - thanks for the correction ... of course KHAN does wind down after the genesis planet destruction, and it is a quiet transition to the finale.
For me, though, it sounds almost too gently resolved, and that's what I think does a disservice to the score. The movie ends with the death of an iconic character, and I think the music as presented on the album owes it to us to honor that death.
Instead, Genesis Countdown ends just before - with a sense of suspense, almost dread. That then transitions to a warmly major fanfare and a sense of resolution as the finale begins. Adding Spock's Death would have been perfect as a bridge to the finale, even though it would also have loaded up Spock's theme a lot at the end - but so what! The guy deserves the attention!
I think the FSM version is essential just for restoring this.
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Perhaps they included his voiceover as a way of acknowledging that and giving the character that attention.
The FSM expansion was a compete joygasm.
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I'm really enjoying Star Wars double album again. I alternate between that and the C&C. I love both versions.
I finally got a digital version of the Empire LP. Some are original LP tracks (Rebels at Bay), some are from the original CD, some are from the box set, and a couple (The Heroics of Luke and Han, The Departure of Boba Fett) are my own edits! I'm loving it!
I might get crazy and break it into 4 playlists so I have to "change sides". There was something to be said for neat little 20 minute programs.
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I finally got a digital version of the Empire LP....I might get crazy and break it into 4 playlists so I have to "change sides". There was something to be said for neat little 20 minute programs.
I would never go to the trouble of doing this kind of thing myself, but I'd love to hear it. You've just made me realize that Empire is the one original album version that I really miss.
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The albums Bear McCreary puts together for the various series he has worked on are hardly C&C, but are probably the best albums of film/TV music I have heard in a a long time. McCreary really know how to put together an album.
ST-TMP
ST II
ST III
These are really remarkable albums.
I appreciate the complete ST-TMP, but I still have a hard time even getting through the C&Cs of II and III. This is some of the music that got me into film music to begin with, so the original releases are fairly burned into my brain and still highly satisfying.
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I wonder how many of these albums are preferred not because they are really better presentations of the music but because they are what you knew for a long time and got used to.
This is a fair point. In some ways it's impossible to say for sure as someone who spent a long, long time with the original albums before expansions came along.
But I know there were many albums over the years that I didn't much care for, or cherry picked what I liked. So the ones I'm pointing out were more exceptions than the rule.
And the fact is that scores are often quite repetitive, which works great in films but can be tiresome in albums that feature every blessed note.
That's why the suite approach - which most of these albums were - is sometimes a better showcase for the music as a listening experience.
Meaning not is there music you miss because you heard it in the film, but is there music you miss because it's crucial to the musical sense of the suite/album.
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darthbrett
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Sentimentality definitely plays a part in this. I would bet money that if somebody never heard the original album, there would be cues they'd absolutely fall in love with on the C&C that would be missing on the original.
Nostalgia and sentimental value play a big role when it comes to listening to music for a lot of people. Many have fond memories of buying the LP when it came out.
But on that same token, as much as I love the original Star Wars LP and how much of it is seared into my young memory. I absolutely prefer hearing every cue on the newer C&C SE release.
In the end, it's all opinion and totally subjective. I personally prefer hearing everything available and in film order on the album. So while I can understand why some love A&A albums, they are definitely not what I prefer at all. But that's fine, as long as we keep getting C&C albums, too.
Some of us like blue, some of us like green. Some prefer winter, some prefer spring, And some of us love A&As and some us love C&Cs. In the end, I guess it really doesn't matter.
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Intrada did a wonderful job while releasing the complete score in glorious stereo but i must confess i enjoy very much going back to the exquisite Lp album with its fun dialogue snippets in it. An indeed overall fun listen!
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