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Jan 3, 2008 - 8:13 PM
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Incidentally, the Bernstein version was a Godsend in its day, and considering how modest were his forces it's remarkable to me how NOT undernourished his version sounds. I'm sure I'll keep enjoying EB's version in the years to come, whenever I don't have time to hear the whole score, or if I'm in the mood for just a suite (and in stereo, at that).
Anyhow, once again, bravo, Lukas!
10.4, delightful partnership. First SILVER CHALICE now LAND OF THE PHARAOHS. Boom, 2008!
Any restoration/mastering procedures explained in this release? I guess I'll find out. Must be a very difficult decision for producers to apply any sort of enhancement like noise reduction technologies.
I'm not even going to listen to the samples, such is my blind faith in FSM.
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Pharaoh bids you hoppy new year...
lk
That is one of the funniest interviews I've ever read. Reminiscent, too, of the way dialects were constantly transcribed back then, in a not so subtle insult to the speaker, letting the reader feel superior.
Where did you find it?
I bought this release INSTANTLY! As soon as I saw it offered!
Great score.
And, check out the credits for the screenplay, which include one Mr. William Faulkner, no less!
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This is one of my favorite Tiomkin scores, and the one I usually recommend to people who think they don't like Tiomkin. Not that it sounds like anyone other than Tiomkin, but I think the darker exoticism and spectacle has a little more mass appeal than some of his more unabashedly cheery works. I'm sure it's comically over-the-top in the picture, but it's a delight on it's own. I look forward to retiring the old quasi-legit-but-not-really releases in favor of this package.
Pedetrian Wolf
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Tiomkin could write good scores; HIGH NOON comes immediately to mind, and I really like LOST HORIZON and THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY. His tendency to meander melodically in that wall to wall Steiner Warner Bros way could be tedious at times. Not a favorite golden ager of mine, but a respected one.
And yes, LAND OF THE PHAROAHS is a very entertaining score. I look forward to hearing this release.
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You know...anyone who complains what these releases cost to buy should see what it costs to make them.
lk
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There were at least three bootlegs of Land of the Pharaohs in circulation. To be fair, these are allegedly legal in Europe due to different copyright laws, but they were obviously produced by someone ripping off the tracks whose opinion of mastering is that it is an Enhanced Interrogation Technique.
There is more to producing a soundtrack master than just lining up the cues in show order. In the case of Pharaohs there was a fair amount of unused music and a great number of overlays (for example in the Pharaoh's Procession and Sudanese Dance cues). Mr. Bootleg Guy has to take his best guess (if that). I, on the other hand, proudly endured the mildewed smell of 50-year-old paperwork and scores that are archived at Warner Bros., in the Warner Bros. Archives at USC, and in the Dimitri Tiomkin Collection at USC. That is the only way to find out the take choices that Tiomkin and his colleagues intended, and to place properly the unheard music. Also wisely stored at Warner Bros. is the timing notes that Tiomkin himself used to compose the music, with breakdowns to a third of a second. That lets us tell you, in the liner notes, what all the unreleased music was recorded for. I am very grateful to the staff and curators of these institutions (and in the case of WB, a functioning music clearance office constantly working on present-day movies, TV shows and new media) for being totally awesome in digging up all the paperwork that I psychotically request (and re-request when I missed something the first time).
So I don't think people here need much convincing, but you get a lot more than peace of mind when you buy the official CD and not the boot. Thanks, everyone, for your warm reception of this project.
Lukas
Yes, I (shouldn't admit it) have 2 of those European boots and the sound is totally inferior. The real test is in the pyramid-building scenes, where there is so much choral overlay that it must've been a huge jigsaw puzzle to reconstruct, but the samples show FSM has done the work properly.
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SHICORP,
I'll try to remember to bring in the CD on Monday and share all the pertinent info.
PJ
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Jan 5, 2008 - 2:51 AM
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pp312
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This is one of my favorite Tiomkin scores, and the one I usually recommend to people who think they don't like Tiomkin. Not that it sounds like anyone other than Tiomkin, but I think the darker exoticism and spectacle has a little more mass appeal than some of his more unabashedly cheery works. I'm sure it's comically over-the-top in the picture, but it's a delight on it's own. Pedetrian Wolf
There is humour in the picture, but it arises less from Tiomkin's score as Joan Collins scenery chewing and the more soap-opera elements of the script. "Pharoahs" is indeed two pictures in one--the first, or rather the first half, being a surprisingly convincing depiction of life in ancient Egypt for a living god, the second being a rehearsal for "Dynasty" a quarter century early. If they could have kept up the early standard, "Ben-Hur" would not be the only truly great epic of the 50s.
THOR: "Oh shove it!"
It that a Norwegian expression, Thor?
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Have been in a state of shock since first reading this post several days ago; unable to respond, I'm still somewhat in a daze. Saw the film when I was somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 to 10 years of age. The constant bombardment - over the top music -- was overwhelming, a beautiful assault upon impressible ears of a child. Sacrilege to say so, but, the music can be spoken of in the sense of 'mickey mouse(ing)' every on screen action. Reminds me of just what film and music can be. An interesting genre and era in film. The grand epics of that time and a few years later utilized larger than life stories and music to a thrilling effect and affect.
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...and now the much anticipated EL CID dvd...
Apologies that this is a little off-topic, but does anyone know whether this DVD release is region 1 only or will a region 2 version follow? (Amazon.com list the region 1 version, but I haven't found a region 2 anywhere yet.)
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Hell, Thor, all you would have to do before so eruditely asking, "Am I correct to assume that this was one of the titles in the Bernstein Box?" is- CHECK OUT THE TITLE IN THE BERNSTEIN BOX! Sweet Mother of God- Why do you care? You don't buy these things anyway? What a pill you can be...
I could do that, yes, but due to the upswing in activity on this board, I got my answer here almost just as quick. Furthermore, I was also curious about any OTHER previous recordings of this score that were out there (both suites and otherwise), so as to have something to compare this current FSM release with. Usually, the FSM advert takes cares of that bit, but not this time.
You never mentioned LAND OF THE PHARAOHS before? Why the sudden interest? Let's see, so you can bring up the topic that you want any other recording that suits you besides this one.
Pretty frequently we see this transparent ruse. Put some clothes on, emperor.
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This is one of my favorite Tiomkin scores, and the one I usually recommend to people who think they don't like Tiomkin. Not that it sounds like anyone other than Tiomkin, but I think the darker exoticism and spectacle has a little more mass appeal than some of his more unabashedly cheery works. I'm sure it's comically over-the-top in the picture, but it's a delight on it's own. Pedetrian Wolf
There is humour in the picture, but it arises less from Tiomkin's score as Joan Collins scenery chewing and the more soap-opera elements of the script. "Pharoahs" is indeed two pictures in one--the first, or rather the first half, being a surprisingly convincing depiction of life in ancient Egypt for a living god, the second being a rehearsal for "Dynasty" a quarter century early. If they could have kept up the early standard, "Ben-Hur" would not be the only truly great epic of the 50s.
THOR: "Oh shove it!"
It that a Norwegian expression, Thor?
Yes, but the 2nd half does have that terrific self-sealing pyramid seq.
In the late 50s early 60s, I saw three epics on the telly that left a life long impression; "The Egyptian" "Helen Of Troy" & "Land Of The Pharaohs" - I suppose becouse the setting was so different from West London!
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