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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

Thor, I appreciate your views, however rigid they may be.

Wow! Appreciation of another poster’s opinion! You do realise that this is the FSM message board – where such things are as welcome as C&C soundtracks in Norway?

Let's cut the crap and get back to snide remarks and mudslinging.

Over to you, Thor!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Uhm...it is YOU guys who can't come to terms with the fact that some people prefer the MCA over the Varese. It's apparently not allowed to express such a preference here.

Thor,

By any chance have you gotton this set or heard it?

Yes or no?

Can you answer this simple question.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 2:29 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Uhm...it is YOU guys who can't come to terms with the fact that some people prefer the MCA over the Varese. It's apparently not allowed to express such a preference here.

Thor,

By any chance have you gotton this set or heard it?

Yes or no?

Can you answer this simple question.


Ford A. Thaxton


No, but I've seen the film many times, and know the music within. And I also know that I get tired of it by the end of the MCA CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 2:46 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


No, .



OK, now any comment you have made as of this date about this box set and it's value is pretty much PULLED FROM YOU BACKSIDE.

And you can try all you can, but simple fact is that if you are gong to say that the MCA album better then the expanded STEREO CD without the benefit of HEARING BOTH OF THEM, makes your comments WORTHLESS, that's right WORTHLESS because your haven't even heard that any portion of this release.


Now, in the case of the single STEREO CD, this appears to be what the 2 LP version of SPARTACUS was more of less supposed to be and it further appears to be tracks selected by Composer Alex North for release on that planned 2 LP set that got cut down for what appears to be BUSINESS REASONS to a single LP.


Now, I'm sure you'll try and trot out some nonsense about not having to hear it to form your opinion,etc.

This IMHO can be summed up as such..

BULLS**T


For the love of god, before you PISS ON SOMETHING, it might help to hear it FIRST so you can offer an INFORMED opinion.

Just watching the movie doesn't cut it in this case.

At least then you can offer something of value as opposed to the self-important posts which don't offer an INFORMED opinion in the first place.

I know this more or less wasted on you, But at least try and offer something worthwhile and INFORMED for a change.

It would perhaps add to the discussion.


Sincerely,


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Ford, I don't need to hear 763 minutes of SPARTACUS music to know that I tire of it after 40 minutes...whether it's stereo, mono or Super 3D Surround. 40 minutes is really the maximum amount I can tolerate this type of music. Believe me, I tried 65 once and even that was stretching it.

The advantage of having a preference is that you can let that guide you instead of going against it by buying something you're pretty sure you won't like (my wisom words for the day! smile).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Ford, I don't need to hear 763 minutes of SPARTACUS music to know that I tire of it after 40 minutes...whether it's stereo, mono or Super 3D Surround. 40 minutes is really the maximum amount I can tolerate this type of music. Believe me, I tried 65 once and even that was stretching it.


You do need to hear it if you are going to offer CRITICAL OPINIONS OF IT?


But since you haven't HEARD this, that opinion is WORTHLESS AND UNINFORMED.

You can cut it anyway you wish, but your are pissing on something you have NOT HEARD.

Now I on the other hand have played the whole damned thing so I can at the very least offer an INFORMED OPINION.

Do you understand the difference?



The advantage of having a preference is that you can let that guide you instead of going against it by buying something you're pretty sure you won't like (my wisom words for the day! smile).

BULLS**T

You have now been called out on it..

You are offering worthless and more importantly UNINFORMED CRITICAL OPINIONS on this box set that is grossly unfair to everyeone involved with the production because you are TOO LAZY to at least hear the damned thing before POSTING YOUR UNINFORMED views here.

Perhaps in the future you should HEAR something before passing judgement.

Now to close, since I have heard the entire box set I'll offer this view..

It's OVERKILL, no doubt about it, I think the Stereo CD is about everything I'd want, but that's just me.

Clearly this project was a labor of love, so it was done by somone who wanted every last note on it.

That was their call.

I came to this view after plowing through it.

But at least I DID HEAR IT before offering any comment.


You can't say the same thing..



Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 3:40 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

But I'm not offering a critical evaluation on the Varese set, Ford. In fact, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm just saying that the MCA CD is enough for me.

What's so hard to understand about that? I listen to the MCA CD --> 40 minutes pass -->I've had enough SPARTACUS music. Hence I have no need for more.

Your position is really quite absurd. What you're saying is that people who generally prefer a album arrangement of scores should also buy - and in this case spend a million bucks on - a release that goes AGAINST that prefence....only to discover that yes, that was indeed too much. And that's the only way they have a right to say that they prefer the shorter release?!? The mind boggles.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Without getting involved in a two-man joust, I must say I agree with Thor. He's not offering any opinion on the large set other than to say it's too much for him. That I can respect even if I feel he's rejected the main meal in favour of a lettuce leaf. But unless I've missed a page of posts, he hasn't critiqued the large set.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Actually, I think the Varese set is incredibly impressive (all the money and resources that must have gone into it) and wrote an article on the whole phenomenon here (in Norwegian):

http://montages.no/2010/07/spartacus-i-ny-ekstravagant-cd-utgivelse/

It's not for me, but it must be a Godsend to those who have craved it for so many years.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

...and wrote an article on the whole phenomenon here (in Norwegian):



smile you naughty!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Actually, I think the Varese set is incredibly impressive (all the money and resources that must have gone into it) and wrote an article on the whole phenomenon here (in Norwegian):

http://montages.no/2010/07/spartacus-i-ny-ekstravagant-cd-utgivelse/

It's not for me, but it must be a Godsend to those who have craved it for so many years.



Not for this little puppy. It's in mono.

BTW, my Norwegian's a touch rusty. What about a Google translation so we can all have a little chuckle. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Nostromo   (Member)

^^^
Well, unless the remaining stereo tracks ever turn up somewhere else in good condition or someone tackles a rerecording of the score I think you're out of luck, unfortunately.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

I've listened to the entire Spartacus set, and I agree with Ford, that the stereo album is enough for me. I've listened to the 2 disc set and actually find the entire score, rather too much.

I listen to the 2cd sets of Ben Hur and El Cid all the way through without any breaks and never find them too long or get bored listening to them, I just found myself getting a little bogged down with the complete Spartacus.

The 2cd set of covers, I can easily live without.

I'm not complaining about the set, the entire set is a labour of love, and credit goes to everyone involved in it's creation. The mono tracks sound superb, the stereo album totally outshines the previous single cd release. This set has pride of place in my collection.

Thor, I get the impression, reading your posts, that you are not quite as obsessive about film music as some of us (me) are. I too like the MCA version, but really you should try to get a listen of the stereo album from the set, it really is a perfect album and one that is a constant joy to listen to.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor, I get the impression, reading your posts, that you are not quite as obsessive about film music as some of us (me) are.

I think you're right about that. In this context.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

^^^
Well, unless the remaining stereo tracks ever turn up somewhere else in good condition or someone tackles a rerecording of the score I think you're out of luck, unfortunately.


I think I'd be out of luck even if someone tackled a re-recording. This is one score where I just can't see a re-recording working.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I would certainly welcome and probably also prefer a rerecording, if one came along that utilized the talents of, say, the Moscow crowd or the Tadlow people, and presented a 60-minute presentation of the whole thing in sparkling sound quality (yeah, I think I could live with an extra 20 minutes if it was done this way).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   Nostromo   (Member)

^^^
Well, unless the remaining stereo tracks ever turn up somewhere else in good condition or someone tackles a rerecording of the score I think you're out of luck, unfortunately.


I think I'd be out of luck even if someone tackled a re-recording. This is one score where I just can't see a re-recording working.


Well if the last few years have taught us anything it's that miracles do sometimes happen in the soundtrack world. So maybe sometime down the road someone will find a copy of the full stereo tracks in a dark place somewhere and you'll finally get what you've been waiting patiently for all these years. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

But I'm not offering a critical evaluation on the Varese set, Ford. In fact, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm just saying that the MCA CD is enough for me.

Then why don't you praise the MCA-version in a seperated thread instead annoying people here in this thread again with absurd stance ??

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

But I'm not offering a critical evaluation on the Varese set, Ford. In fact, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm just saying that the MCA CD is enough for me.

This is of course based on not even HEARING it or even the single CD contained in the site that more or less reflects the original 2 CD version that Alex North selected the tracks for..

How can you even OFFER that opinion without the benefit of hearing this set and be taken seriously?

You can't..

What's so hard to understand about that? I listen to the MCA CD --> 40 minutes pass -->I've had enough SPARTACUS music. Hence I have no need for more.

This is an UNINFORMED Opinion, since you haven't even HEARD the addional music which covers major sections of the score that have until this set not seen the light of day?



Your position is really quite absurd.

Bottomline: I at least plowed through it BEFORE I offered my opinion

You couldn't be toubled to do the same..


That's is absurd to do on part...


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2011 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

But I'm not offering a critical evaluation on the Varese set, Ford. In fact, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm just saying that the MCA CD is enough for me.

Then why don't you praise the MCA-version in a seperated thread instead annoying people here in this thread again with absurd stance ??


Actually, it was Onyabirri who ressurected this thread by saying that he had found a copy of the MCA he was pleased with. I just agreed him.

Besides, I don't see why the MCA release cannot be mentioned here (either praised or criticized). It's the same score, different package and its current low price is directly related to the Varese release.

 
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