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 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Facehugger, you're clearly a troll, so as such I'll be extremely brief because you don't really deserve the attention... BUT...

Hans Zimmer's popularity with is not an opinion and absolutely a verifiable phenomenon. Album sales are all the proof anyone needs that he strikes a chord with the moviegoing public... and his scores consistently chart in the Billboard Top 100, a major feat for a film score by any stretch.

And that's all you're gonna get from me. Enjoy the underside of your bridge.


Whatever since you clearly lack the ability of logic reasoning.

Ever thought audience could flood to buy a soundtrack because they like the film it associates with, even though they don't give a rat's ass about the actual music? No? Ever wonder why Zimmer's "The Bible" does not sell as much as MOS? Clearly such question is above you.

And really convenient by calling anyone disagreeing with you a troll. With that positive attitude, soon you can solve the puzzle of "why Zimmer got the job you want (and you didn't, sadly)".

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 10:19 PM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

You're not a troll because you disagree with me. You're a troll because of the way you speak to people here, including me.

And yes, I am above a lot of your nonsense. Glad you noticed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

You're not a troll because you disagree with me. You're a troll because of the way you speak to people here, including me.

And yes, I am above a lot of your nonsense. Glad you noticed.


Then you must be a troll also because of the way you speak to people. A hypocritical one at that.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy a fullfilling sycophantic career in the "business". Don't forget to treat your clients with good Xmas gifts. As for writing artistic scores, just forget about it. And don't forget to limit your academic learning "by intention"!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 10:21 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

And that's all you're gonna get from me. Enjoy the underside of your bridge.



big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 10:24 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

And that's all you're gonna get from me. Enjoy the underside of your bridge.



big grin

Why is this guy not banned for posting pictures? He should be banned together with YOR!

/sarcasm mode off/

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 10:43 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

Hans Zimmer must be a genius. To inspire so much love and so much hate. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I take back everything I ever said about him. Rock on, Hans.

Zimmer is like Cimabue, who was a master who hosted in his "bottega" a lot of guest-star pupils - some even greater than him, like Giotto! The result was and is choral art of greater beauty than expected.

to trolls: Forget about it!

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Hans Zimmer must be a genius. To inspire so much love and so much hate.

True.

There was a time when Dimitri Tiomkin caused this much controversy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   McMillan & Husband   (Member)

Facehugger, you're clearly a troll, so as such I'll be extremely brief because you don't really deserve the attention... BUT...

Hans Zimmer's popularity with audiences is not an opinion and absolutely a verifiable phenomenon. Album sales are all the proof anyone needs that he strikes a chord with the moviegoing public... and his scores consistently chart in the Billboard Top 100, a major feat for a film score by any stretch.

And that's all you're gonna get from me. Enjoy the underside of your bridge.


Popularity isn't always the best indicator of quality. Just look at the current pop/other music charts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   stay-puft   (Member)

Facehugger, you're clearly a troll, so as such I'll be extremely brief because you don't really deserve the attention... BUT...

Hans Zimmer's popularity with audiences is not an opinion and absolutely a verifiable phenomenon. Album sales are all the proof anyone needs that he strikes a chord with the moviegoing public... and his scores consistently chart in the Billboard Top 100, a major feat for a film score by any stretch.

And that's all you're gonna get from me. Enjoy the underside of your bridge.


Popularity isn't always the best indicator of quality. Just look at the current pop/other music charts.


it certainly isn't but someone stated that the audience doesn't care about Zimmer's music even though the sales of his scores say otherwise...

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)



Don't think that David...If you feel you've done something wrong by posting a detailed, positive view on Hans Zimmer then thats really letting 'them' win. A difference of opinion is always good for spirited discussion but its sad to see what this Board's become with all the pissing contests. Great to still see posters like yourself making an effort.

Making an effort to stir up more piss for sure, just like you did. Here, have a medal for pissing pretty far, and with great hypocrisy.


This is one of these damned if you do, damned if you don't things. I'd like to think I'm better than responding to a cheap shot like you just took but..hey.. I'm not!
This used to be a great Board of good info and great discussions with differing points of view. Now due to stuff like you're spouting its just plummeting to the depths. As others have said you can get a differing point across without descending to the shit you're posting. Get a grip!

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

So now we have two Yors? I've said it and I will say it again, if they manage to speak as positively about the scores they love on this board as they do as negatively about Hans Zimmer, there might actually be some constructive discussion.

But as it stands, they spend the majority of their time bashing Zimmer because it's childishly easy and they know it will get a response (which in itself is proof of Zimmer's popularity) and instead of letting us know which scores they like, they do nothing else but attacking people for liking the scores they do (the Peacemaker thread an obvious example).

I don't get why their constant repeats of the same tired message are not considered as trolling around here? Every thread ends up being hijacked, no chance of any civil discussion possible as they clearly have no such intent from the onset and they actually get upset when people do. Because in their heads they are right and we need to jump on their Zimmer hating bandwagon to accomplish what exactly? Acknowledge the so called 'poor state of film music' these people living in the past like to proclaim and stone the scapegoat who is supposedly responsible for it? I don't see them bashing the gazillion other soundtrack releases -whose style they will probably hate- for the sole reason they are not as popular as Zimmer and he obviously is the one to blame.

On topic, I found that post very informative and respectful and far from ass kissing. People who like to write off Zimmer as untalented and lucky need to read it to understand why he is getting the job and the (near) dead composers they like aren't. It's a nice reality check for all the anti-Zimmer propaganda that roams these boards, as if it will prevent people from supporting/buying his music. (I might even go as far as to say it has an opposite effect, it's like hearing those westboro people go on and on wink)

Here's an idea; instead of bashing all the Zimmers, Tylers, ... why not spend your time picketing the film theaters and convince the people who go and see these movies they need different music? Or write the producers and studios that hire the composers and demand they go back to scoring with 'pencil and paper'? That seems to be the standard to which film music is judged by these laggards: the composer who wrote with pencil and paper. I doubt he'd even last a second in the current business.

Maybe film music isn't for you anymore? Have you tried classical music? just a suggestion.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

4) HANS WORKS WITH GREAT PEOPLE.

True dat. They're the REAL composers behind Hansi's business facade.

None of the blahblah in that email tells us that he is a composer! wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:12 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

4) HANS WORKS WITH GREAT PEOPLE.

True dat. They're the REAL composers behind Hansi's business facade.

None of the blahblah in that email tells us that he is a composer! wink


Ouch big grin

I find it interesting that none of the guys in the Pro-Zimmer camp comment on the fact that even composers like Patrick Doyle are forced to write in the MV/RC-style and what this means to the diversity of film music in general.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:14 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

So now we have two Yors? I've said it and I will say it again, if they manage to speak as positively about the scores they love on this board as they do as negatively about Hans Zimmer, there might actually be some constructive discussion.

But as it stands, they spend the majority of their time bashing Zimmer because it's childishly easy and they know it will get a response (which in itself is proof of Zimmer's popularity) and instead of letting us know which scores they like, they do nothing else but attacking people for liking the scores they do (the Peacemaker thread an obvious example).

I don't get why their constant repeats of the same tired message are not considered as trolling around here? Every thread ends up being hijacked, no chance of any civil discussion possible as they clearly have no such intent from the onset and they actually get upset when people do. Because in their heads they are right and we need to jump on their Zimmer hating bandwagon to accomplish what exactly? Acknowledge the so called 'poor state of film music' these people living in the past like to proclaim and stone the scapegoat who is supposedly responsible for it? I don't see them bashing the gazillion other soundtrack releases -whose style they will probably hate- for the sole reason they are not as popular as Zimmer and he obviously is the one to blame.

On topic, I found that post very informative and respectful and far from ass kissing. People who like to write off Zimmer as untalented and lucky need to read it to understand why he is getting the job and the (near) dead composers they like aren't. It's a nice reality check for all the anti-Zimmer propaganda that roams these boards, as if it will prevent people from supporting/buying his music. (I might even go as far as to say it has an opposite effect, it's like hearing those westboro people go on and on wink)

Here's an idea; instead of bashing all the Zimmers, Tylers, ... why not spend your time picketing the film theaters and convince the people who go and see these movies they need different music? Or write the producers and studios that hire the composers and demand they go back to scoring with 'pencil and paper'? That seems to be the standard to which film music is judged by these laggards: the composer who wrote with pencil and paper. I doubt he'd even last a second in the current business.

Maybe film music isn't for you anymore? Have you tried classical music? just a suggestion.


Wonderful post! A rare example of levelheaded reasoning in this thread (which, to be honest, I've only skimmed because of all the trolling). Yor was put on my ignore list a long time ago, even before I knew he was André Lux. Wish I had that option when he caused havoc the first time around in the early 2000s.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 2:41 AM   
 By:   stay-puft   (Member)

4) HANS WORKS WITH GREAT PEOPLE.

True dat. They're the REAL composers behind Hansi's business facade.

None of the blahblah in that email tells us that he is a composer! wink


Ouch big grin

I find it interesting that none of the guys in the Pro-Zimmer camp comment on the fact that even composers like Patrick Doyle are forced to write in the MV/RC-style and what this means to the diversity of film music in general.


Film music is more diverse than ever.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   fmfan1   (Member)

I found the original post to be interesting and helpful in better understanding today's film scoring process. Thank you for the posting.

Every film has multiple solutions for the question of how it should be scored. There have been many cases where I have felt that Hans Zimmer has found a great solution. For example: Pirates of the Caribbean.

If someone gave me the choice to throw out Zimmer's Pirate scores so that another composer, perhaps a more "pencil and paper" type like John Scott, could have a crack at it, I would refuse. Sure, it would be interesting to hear what Scott would craft, but not only do I enjoy Zimmer's Pirates scores, but I think they do a great job supporting the films as well.

I frequently don't like when the stereotype of Zimmer's sound (as he really does use a diversity of styles) is used as the solution in so many films - especially those scored by other composers. The ostinato approach, for instance, has been overused, and too many potentially wonderful scoring moments have come across as generically exciting cues that are somehow missing their main melody line.

(As for the trolling on the board, I respectfully offer the following suggestions. Either have another board for "Serious Music Discussion" where respectful discourse is required and enforced, or we all simply ignore the trolling. The troll himself does not really bring down these threads. It's more the person who actually responds to the troll with attacks of his own and the resulting back-and-forth bickering that distracts from the content of the original post.)

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

There is always the ignore button. I don't have anyone on the list. Oh wait yeah there's one person on it who was ignorant enough to say Williams wrote better music than Stravinsky, Bartok and Mahler- sorry I draw the line at completely stupid people like that-
O well so much for that....


You can put me on the ignore list too then if you want as I agree with the 'idiot'.

It's amazing though to see how much of a hypocrite you've turned into, I still remember your 'Confessions of a Zimmer hater' thread from the sounds online forum.



Opinions and perspectives should be allowed to change with time. When you get older you look back on things you said or thought and think "gee I really went off there didn't I?"'. I've grown to appreciate Hans for Hans. I don't expect him to be Williams as much as I don't expect Williams to be Mahler or Prokofiev. And when I look at a post like you quoted, I think why was I so hot and bothered in the first place? Does it really matter to anyone on God's green earth what the hell I think about music or the integrity of film music? Nope. I still post here because I like talking about film scores with other enthusiasts. Some of my friends from here and I don't always see eye to eye but there's always a respectful tenor when we disagree. No one ever invalidates the others' opinion.

I'm not going to deny that I long for the days when we had various styles that composers brought because the RC sound is too proliferated in my opinion. That doesn't mean I don't like it but I miss the variety. And I still miss composers who had a lot of technique that they brought to the table (not producing or synth programming but the ability to write more than 8 bar themes and to melodically, harmonically and rhythmically develop them throughout the course of the score); but producers don't want that these days. So Zimmer is flourishing because his skill sets (again which I think he possesses) are a good fit for the time. Like everything in the universe, there will be a balance at some point.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

YOR is sure that the guys who work for McDonald's would say that the inventor of the Big Mac is a true visionary too, yes?

Perhaps not he, but Ray Kroc certainly was.

And no, I do not work for McDonald's. :-)

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

It tickles me that I thought I had posted a fairly even handed view of who Hans Zimmer appeared to be based on the posted article, both good and not so good, and was immediately placed into a "Zimmer lover" bucket by several people. I guess you're either with them or against them, huh?

 
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