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Apr 10, 2007 - 11:30 AM
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Thor
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1) You jumped in on this thread to tell us you won't be buying the CD because you don't have a connection to the film, which you've done a thousand times. It is called thread crapping and it is generally frowned upon on most reputable message boards. It is unproductive, disruptive and it really pisses people off, as you can plainly see. Most well moderated boards have rules against such behavior. Since this one doesn't, many members such as myself feel the need to express our displeasure.
No, as I already pointed out, I posted in this thread mainly because there was a personal dilemma with the two albums that I thought was pretty interesting to share (I don´t care if YOU didn´t find it interesting...fortunately, my objective here is not to entertain or please soop).
However, even if I just wanted to say that this release was "not for me", then that would have been my perfect right. Here you have an announcement of a release and you have to expect varying responses to it. What, you expect everyone to have a relationship to this score or even like it? How boring would that be...
2) In response, you slammed the film and dismissed the score... which are both generally regarded as fantasy/action classics... without having even seen it!
I have done no such thing. In fact, I´ve praised the score (the little I´ve heard of it) and I´ve said that the film MAY be an unheralded masterpiece. I´ll hold my judgement untill I´ve actually seen it. What I CAN say, though, WITHOUT having seen it is that it is simply 1) not my kind of movie and 2) not an A list classic. I don´t see how any of that can be considered a "slam".
3) You refer to Ray Harryhausen's work as "cheesy" in one of your totally dismissive posts slamming the film. "Dated"? "Rough"? Perhaps. But to refer to the work of a master craftsman (which you haven't bothered to watch) as cheesy is insulting and empty.
No, because cheesy is how they feel and look to ME. Even if the effects were ground-breaking. Even if Harryhausen is a legend. Giant stop-motion bees and crabs that "jitter" in gaudy colours is fun if you take it for what it is, but it certainly is too cheesy for me to be properly engrossed in the narrative. It´s not a slam against Harryhausen´s work. It´s an observation on how the effects FEEL to me. I´m a sci fi lover, but older (meaning pre-1970) science fiction and fantasy films usually only have ACADEMIC interest to me. The effects usually date the films so much that I feel removed from the narrative. Same thing with KING KONG or METROPOLIS, although the "stylized" German Expressionist design of the latter makes it stand out more as a defined "world" in itself and hence easier to delve into.
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Apr 10, 2007 - 1:15 PM
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Thor
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Oh, you're so full of it, soop, that I don't even know where to start (nor am I sure it's any good, since you've basically lowered yourself to Arch's level with your latest posts).
I have no relation to this score whatsoever, so with my current buying habits, I'm afraid this is way down on my priority list - no matter what shape and form it comes in.
the typical Thor thread crap.
How so? I'm saying that I have no relation to the score (except the little I've heard in clips and trailers). That's a fact. So since I buy mostly soundtracks of my favourite composers these days, this is not on my immediate to-buy list. I'm sorry if you don't like my buying habits, but it's really none of your business.
Sure, since those films are about more than just the special effects.
the slam.
Try to keep up, will you? My response was to Stromberg's argument that STAR WARS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS would not have existed if it weren't for MYSTERIOUS ISLAND. I mean that they would because although the special effects influence of MI is not be underestimated, those films would have come along in some form nonetheless. IRRESPECTIVE of MI's socalled "special effect influence". There's very little in common between these films other than that they're all in the sci fi genre. So...it was not a slam against the film, which - as I've said a thousand times now - I haven't even seen.
MYSTERIOUS ISLAND is not really a revered classic in the same league and old monster/alien "exploitation" films with cheesy effects have never really been my thing in the first place
the slam with the "I'm above it" attitude.
Wrong. There's no slam. There's no above-it attitude. Merely pointing out that's it's not my kind of movie and that it's not a revered Hollywood classic in the top league.
Hey, it's not my fault that the film isn't mentioned - or at best only casually mentioned - in film history books
the arrogance.
Since when was it arrogant to point out a fact? If you know of any major film history books (that aren't specifically about sci fi or special effects) that dedicate lots of space to this film, then I'll be happy to hear it.
And with that, I end my discussion with you as well. If you guys can't be constructive and discuss the topic at hand in a RATIONAL manner, and instead resort to personal attacks and aggressive comments, neither you nor your opinions have any worth to me. I have no interest in wasting my time or energy on that.
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Man, I've never seen you dig a hole so deep for yourself. Good luck on your so-called reputation now.
In other words, first you see a film and hear the score, then you decide... you incredible putz.
There´s another good example of Arch´s "mature" debating style right there. What a sad case.
Well what do expect from someone named after a cadaver. LOL!
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Returning to the suite-versus-individual track debate, why hasn't the CD index feature been used more than it has on film music releases? This would seem to provide a solution for all. It seems to be used often in opera releases, for example, but not much in film score CDs. There have been one or two -- Burwell's ROB ROY comes to mind -- but not many. Does it increase production costs a great deal, or something?
I was thinking the same thing myself.
The only cd i have that uses it is Mahler's Second Symphony.
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There´s another good example of Arch´s "mature" debating style right there. What a sad case.
Hey, man -- you said you wouldn't engage me again. Some resolve you have there.
But you're right. It was juvenile of me to have called you an incredible putz, even though it's true. I was drunk last night and I sincerely apologize.
Yet I have noticed that you tend to only concentrate on everything BUT what's really important in these debates. Which is, in this case, your mouthing off about things you know practically nothing about, such as MYSTERIOUS ISLAND, Bernard Herrmann, Ray Harryhausen, and Max Steiner, and dismissing an important new re-recording for no reason whatsoever.
Why not just say, "Hey, I'm ignorant, so I'll buy MYSTERIOUS ISLAND as soon as it comes out so that I'll finally know what you (who are all wiser than I about such things) are talking about."
That's the sensible solution.
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There is a really good pair of articles in FSM-online about Harryhausen (an interview- no less!) and the scores for his films (a buyers guide by the one-and 0nly Joe Sikoryak!)
check it out!
January 20006- the first on-line issh.
bruce marshall
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Does he list his favorites of the scores?
I was talking to him on the phone a while back and asked him what his favorites were. The first one he mentioned was... CLASH OF THE TITANS.
I about fell out of my chair.
Then he said MYSTERIOUS ISLAND and JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS.
Now, I'm not saying that's the true order of his favorites. That's just how he gave them to me.
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For only 4 dollars and ninety five cents you can find out the answers....
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why do we really care what Thor thinks or likes? He's entitled to his views and opinions and as far as I'm concerned if he hasn't seen the film or doesn't like the efx or the music means nothing to him it's his loss. 
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Speaking of Cy Endfield, anyone out there ever see HELL DRIVERS?
I caught it on TCM last year. Nice, taut thriller with one of my all-time favorites, Stanley Baker (not to mention a brief part for Sean Connery). Add Herbert Lom, David McCallum, Patrick McGoohan, Jill Ireland, and Gordon Jackson and it becomes a must-see.
Endfield's ZULU is also a must-see. It's tough to decide whether that or MYSTERIOUS ISLAND is his greatest legacy, but I have to go with MYSTERIOUS for obvious reasons.
For only 4 dollars and ninety five cents you can find out the answers....
I give you interesting information and you give me a commercial. Great conversation killer...
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Not a commericial, a link.
Sorry, Arch, I don't have time to go re-read the article and report back to you.
Subscribe dammit!
bruce marshall
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