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 Posted:   Sep 18, 2011 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   KubrickFan   (Member)

The only thing that really disappoints me about the whole Blu Ray set... why the heck isn't there Drew Struzan art all over this sucker ? Struzan has said Lucas is one of the few he'd stlll take a commission from, so hell - this would have been gorgeous with new Struzan art. What they ended up using is...nice... but ... Struzan art on a glossy outer sleeve and some nice inside spreads.... sighs....

He didn't use any of the posters for the DVDs either. It's a pity, especially since Lucas professes to love the posters Struzan has made for the saga.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2011 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Sure, George Lucas has the right to alter these films any way he chooses.
He devised them, wrote them and directed (most) of them.
But fans (boys or whatever) equally have the right to comment upon them, whether in support or against them.
Personally, I won't be watching any future versions of his saga, because I haven't seen ONE alteration yet that has improved on the versions that I fell in love with in 1978, 1980 and 1983 (that last year, replace love with like).
I wish I could find the old issue of Starlog wherein Lucas first showed his disdain for the fans of his creations, way back in the 80's.
When asked point blank why only a single LP was issued for ROTJ, as opposed to the deluxe double LP's for SW and TESB, he answered 'because that's all the music in the film' or words to that effect.
The man has since become Dr Frankenstein, doomed by his own creation.

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2011 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Sure, George Lucas has the right to alter these films any way he chooses.
He devised them, wrote them and directed (most) of them.
But fans (boys or whatever) equally have the right to comment upon them, whether in support or against them.


I'm totally for this statement.

Unfortunately, the by-and-large internet fanbase of Star Wars is full of people with pitchforks and torches screaming the same empty slogans. They remind me of some great lines by Auden:

Out of the air a voice without a face
Proved by statistics that some cause was just
In tones as dry and level as the place
No one was cheered and nothing was discussed...

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2011 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


He didn't use any of the posters for the DVDs either. It's a pity, especially since Lucas professes to love the posters Struzan has made for the saga.


Instead we got this...

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2011 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

Ugh.

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2011 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Why do guns and/or blasters always have to be firing in PhotoShop con jobs?

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2011 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Struzan is amazing.

What a missed opportunity.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2011 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Cooper   (Member)

Why do guns and/or blasters always have to be firing in PhotoShop con jobs?



At least in the case of the Episode IV Limited Edition, looks like they were mimicking that "Style C" One Sheet featured on the back cover...with all its guns-a-blazin' action. It's an interesting idea...doing something in keeping with their uniformly hideous, garish and commercial looking cover art for all the Star Wars DVDs while referencing classic poster art. But it only serves to point out how cartoony the modern packaging really is.

Ugh is right.

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2011 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

At least in the case of the Episode IV Limited Edition, looks like they were mimicking that "Style C" One Sheet featured on the back cover...with all its guns-a-blazin' action. It's an interesting idea...doing something in keeping with their uniformly hideous, garish and commercial looking cover art for all the Star Wars DVDs while referencing classic poster art. But it only serves to point out how cartoony the modern packaging really is.

Ugh is right.


I can only assume the smart people don't make these decisions.

"Hey! We have decades of incredible Star Wars art from McQuarrie to Struzan and even folks like Jim Steranko have given rendition to our universe. Instead of outsourcing to some PhotoShop guy, let's just save money and slap some of the iconic artwork onto out DVD/BD packaging so that it looks like a handsome package." -- Words never spoken at LucasFilm

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2011 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   Cooper   (Member)


I can only assume the smart people don't make these decisions.

"Hey! We have decades of incredible Star Wars art from McQuarrie to Struzan and even folks like Jim Steranko have given rendition to our universe. Instead of outsourcing to some PhotoShop guy, let's just save money and slap some of the iconic artwork onto out DVD/BD packaging so that it looks like a handsome package." -- Words never spoken at LucasFilm





Almost seems like product visibility was their bottom line, as though they feared the classier approach was too understated. So they went the gaudy route, with something guaranteed to catch the eye...and turn the stomach!

By the way, nuts-score, is that Decker from "Nightbreed" in your icon? Reminds me that someone needs to draft David Cronenberg to play more movie psychos, stat!

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2011 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

By the way, nuts-score, is that Decker from "Nightbreed" in your icon? Reminds me that someone needs to draft David Cronenberg to play more movie psychos, stat!

Indeed it is... one of my favorite movie villains. Not only does Cronenberg need to stretch his acting chops more often, but we need to get a director's cut of Nightbreed on Blu Ray.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2011 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   nxbusby491   (Member)

I like it. But the only thing I dont get....and Lucas isn't the only one guilty of it. I've seen other special editions with it also....those 360 turnaround things and zoomed in pics of all the parts, etc. Does ANYONE seriously look at those? I'm going to go through all their pages just to see which ones have the video commentaries, but other then that....it really gets my vote for worst DVD/Bluray special feature of all time.

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2011 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I doubt this is off topic (Star Wars related and all) but since Star Wars has now entered back into my conscience so perhaps someone who actually enjoys the prequels can fill me in on this. Now, I haven't watched either Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith since their theatrical exhibitions, but was I missing anything in regards to Anakin's vulnerability to the Dark Side? All that develops with that is that he has attachments to his loved ones (being Padme and his mother), and the Jedi are selfishly (and stupidly) denied commitment with another of the opposite sex (I must've also missed the part where they are Catholics). So basically Lucas casts Darth Vader -- you know, THE ultimate bad guy of our youths -- as a guy who was baited to the Dark Side for simply having the human emotion of love. Huh? How does this make sense at all? Also, did he even have a relationship with Obi-Wan? These films could've used a lesson from their own precursors!

And after the prequels why would anyone look to the Jedi as being the ultimate badasses from the Star Wars universe? All I learned about them is that have bizarre myopic rules, completely useless in the long run, and are incredibly stupid. Lucas sure knows how to write himself into narrative corners!

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

So no one can give a viable reason why Anakin turned to the Dark Side?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

So no one can give a viable reason why Anakin turned to the Dark Side?



Well, as I remember, Anakin just never grew up, never matured, so he wasn't ready for the discipline of being a Jedi. You're right, he had attachments to him mother and Padme that influenced him..but... losing his mom, not being able to save her...not being able to deal with the emotion, pushed him to the brink. And then the fear of losing Padme pushed him over. He was a slave to his emotions, he let his emotion rule him...like what Yoda said in ESB, the Dark Side is faster, easier...it was too simple to fall under the spell of the dark side rather than struggle along and learn to be a true Jedi under Obi-Wan.

He was basically young, foolish and gullible. That was what made him so easy to manipulate. He wanted everything, too much too fast...and Sidious was able to exploit his immature weaknesses.

I think that's pretty much it

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

So no one can give a viable reason why Anakin turned to the Dark Side?

The Jedi counsel did not feel comfortable with Anakin. They felt he was a loose cannon and they were holding him back because they didn't know which way he would turn. The Emperor used that to draw Anakin towards the dark side. Those aren't your friends, they don't except you, they would let your love die. This was reinforced over the death of his Mother which he could not prevent. It could work but its done kinda superficially in the film.

I never liked Lucas's approach. Especially the idea, a cute little kid becomes evil because bad things happened in his life. Its a total cop out.

He should have kept it easy. He could have turned to the dark side simply because power corrupts. I never felt Star Wars needed the nuances of a more serious drama.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

So no one can give a viable reason why Anakin turned to the Dark Side?

In three hours, THE GODFATHER convincingly depicts a good man turning to evil for tangible, understandable reasons - to protect his father, to protect his family, to avenge the death of his innocent wife.

Lucas had six hours of film and decades to think about it and couldn't put the same idea across.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Lucas had six hours of film and decades to think about it and couldn't put the same idea across.


Sure he could, but he decided to write and direct it himself that time.

The other time, Episode IV, when the screenplay was nominated for the Oscar, for instance, he had uncredited help.

In the widely acknowledged best one, Episode V, he let others write and direct it for him.

John Milius was DYING to write those prequels, and to construct a grand epic Greek tragedy out of them. Ron Howard was DYING to help out with the directing. George had his children coming up with names for alien planets and creatures, but the rest he insisted on doing himself (except for parts of Episode III, which were doctored by Tom Stoppard).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

And to think, we're going to have this discussion all over again next year when the 3D versions come out, cos I bet my bottom dollar they've been fiddled with again!

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 9:18 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


Well, as I remember, Anakin just never grew up, never matured, so he wasn't ready for the discipline of being a Jedi. You're right, he had attachments to him mother and Padme that influenced him..but... losing his mom, not being able to save her...not being able to deal with the emotion, pushed him to the brink. And then the fear of losing Padme pushed him over. He was a slave to his emotions, he let his emotion rule him...like what Yoda said in ESB, the Dark Side is faster, easier...it was too simple to fall under the spell of the dark side rather than struggle along and learn to be a true Jedi under Obi-Wan.

He was basically young, foolish and gullible. That was what made him so easy to manipulate. He wanted everything, too much too fast...and Sidious was able to exploit his immature weaknesses.

I think that's pretty much it


It's still pretty lame. I'd turn to the Dark Side too. Lucas painted the Jedi into idiotic Catholic priests with the prequels. He hardly bothered developing Padme as a love interest, either. Booooooring.

 
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