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Well, as I remember, Anakin just never grew up, never matured, so he wasn't ready for the discipline of being a Jedi. You're right, he had attachments to him mother and Padme that influenced him..but... losing his mom, not being able to save her...not being able to deal with the emotion, pushed him to the brink. And then the fear of losing Padme pushed him over. He was a slave to his emotions, he let his emotion rule him...like what Yoda said in ESB, the Dark Side is faster, easier...it was too simple to fall under the spell of the dark side rather than struggle along and learn to be a true Jedi under Obi-Wan.
He was basically young, foolish and gullible. That was what made him so easy to manipulate. He wanted everything, too much too fast...and Sidious was able to exploit his immature weaknesses.
I think that's pretty much it
It's still pretty lame. I'd turn to the Dark Side too. Lucas painted the Jedi into idiotic Catholic priests with the prequels. He hardly bothered developing Padme as a love interest, either. Booooooring.
Actually, Lucas strips away the religious vibe of the force in the prequels with the whole midichlorian notion. Forget Jar Jar Binks, that's the single worst idea in TPM.
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Sep 21, 2011 - 11:29 AM
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Actually, Lucas strips away the religious vibe of the force in the prequels with the whole midichlorian notion. Forget Jar Jar Binks, that's the single worst idea in TPM.
Midichlorians are pretty bad (though worse than Jar Jar I can't agree, but it's all about taste) which possibly explains why Lucas cast the Jedi as painfully dull sacramental authority figures who are sexless, humorless, thoughtless, lightsabre-happy egoists? Much criticism of the prequels involved their lack of interesting characterizations, any sense of fun or excitement, and -- most importantly -- a sense of danger or protagonist, so how do those who stand up for them justify these problems?
I think I was reading a prequel retrospective where the author suggested each Jedi had a unique weapon that was inherent from their place of origin. Some of these Jedi were without legs, some with long weird dreadlocks of fatty-skin (huh?) -- all problems when twirling around a lightsabre. And then they mentioned how ridiculous it was for Yoda to have a lightsabre at his small size. Everything we've learned about Yoda from the OT to this point has suggested he's the most "Buddhist" of the Jedi Council of Masters: he's going to solve his problems with methods that are evolved past conflict. Yet in Episodes II and III we've got Yoda hoping around in some bizarre lightsabre choreography. These fights made absolutely no sense in any kind of battle tactics or even physical space. Great action figure opportunities though! (Choose between "Yoda with Lightsabre" OR "Yoda without Lightsabre, etc.)
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And to think, we're going to have this discussion all over again next year...endquote]
"WE"?
INCLUDE ME OUT!
BRM
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Lucas had six hours of film and decades to think about it and couldn't put the same idea across.
The other time, Episode IV, .....
In the widely acknowledged best one, Episode V,.....
.....himself (except for parts of Episode III,
NEXT PERSON WHO USES the term 'episode' will be excommunicated!
STAR WARS
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
there are no 'episodes' ; i fact its an 'epithet' to all tru believers in the Force
brm
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i still have my McQuarrie porfolio set of paintings from STAR WARS (minus the TIE Fighter one which i had on my wall and cant find)
for sale if interested
combrm@yahoo.com
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Sep 22, 2011 - 5:48 AM
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Again, stating my unfamiliarity with the prequels beyond only a single theatrical viewing, but is the only "antagonistic" thing we witness Anakin as Darth Vader do is murder a group of young Jedi children while they are training? How awful! So Lucas wants the audience to buy into Anakin's salvation through the events in the OT, but he also includes him committing an action of such evil that there should be no "resolution" for those who commit it. Sometimes going too dark is a possibility, and Lucas really crossed the line and completely ruined the character of Darth Vader/Anakin for me.
That's of course the main problem with prequels having an a well established evil guy be sympathetic. On one hand, you want the character to be sympathetic, so that the "turn" will be more dramatic. On the other hand, you want the protagonist to have some darker sides, so that the turn won't come entirely out of thin air. That's the problem with how Anakin was written. I can buy killing some Sand People out of rage for killing his mother, but killing Jedi children because Palpatine says so, seconds after he "turned evil" is a huge thing to buy at all, and doesn't work because it's handled so poorly. I think the only reason some buy it at all because we know that Anakin has to turn into Darth Vader. Someone who has never seen a Star Wars movie and starts with Episode I might think the change is just too big, I imagine.
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Sep 22, 2011 - 7:14 AM
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Rick15
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Again, stating my unfamiliarity with the prequels beyond only a single theatrical viewing, but is the only "antagonistic" thing we witness Anakin as Darth Vader do is murder a group of young Jedi children while they are training? How awful! So Lucas wants the audience to buy into Anakin's salvation through the events in the OT, but he also includes him committing an action of such evil that there should be no "resolution" for those who commit it. Sometimes going too dark is a possibility, and Lucas really crossed the line and completely ruined the character of Darth Vader/Anakin for me.
That's of course the main problem with prequels having an a well established evil guy be sympathetic. On one hand, you want the character to be sympathetic, so that the "turn" will be more dramatic. On the other hand, you want the protagonist to have some darker sides, so that the turn won't come entirely out of thin air. That's the problem with how Anakin was written. I can buy killing some Sand People out of rage for killing his mother, but killing Jedi children because Palpatine says so, seconds after he "turned evil" is a huge thing to buy at all, and doesn't work because it's handled so poorly. I think the only reason some buy it at all because we know that Anakin has to turn into Darth Vader. Someone who has never seen a Star Wars movie and starts with Episode I might think the change is just too big, I imagine.
I agree with all of this but what makes it worse is the (please note that this is MY OPINION) pedestrian effort that JW put in for the score. Sure, there are a couple of nice concert pieces but this score does not "gel" as well as the original trilogy.
Yes, argue that JW has matured/changed and can't write the same type of score...
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Argue that the films did not give him the opportunity to write the same type of score...
The 1977 Star Wars film introduced me to the world of film music. This was enhanced with The Empire Strikes Back and (to a lesser degree) Return of the Jedi.
I would guess that the prequel film scores have a lesser influence on the kids growing up watching them. Where are the linking themes? Duel of the fates entered and exited with as much fanfare as Darth Maul. Across the Stars? Great in Episode 2 but where was it in episode 3?
I dunno. Apart from my critical evaluations of the story I think that, musically, these prequels were an opportunity lost.
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Sep 22, 2011 - 10:09 AM
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KubrickFan
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I agree with all of this but what makes it worse is the (please note that this is MY OPINION) pedestrian effort that JW put in for the score. Sure, there are a couple of nice concert pieces but this score does not "gel" as well as the original trilogy.
Yes, argue that JW has matured/changed and can't write the same type of score...
OR
Argue that the films did not give him the opportunity to write the same type of score...
I think it's a bit of both. Yes, Williams' voice has changed after all those years, no doubt about it. But the style that he had during the making of the first three Star Wars movies was different from the one he had only a few years earlier. So that's understandable. I would also like to say that I wouldn't call any of the scores pedestrian. I like them a lot, but they're not in the same league of the first three.
But, and I think this is the peculiar thing, Williams showed with the first three Harry Potter movies that he can still write fantastical and very good music. So then we could argue that it might be a lack of inspiration.
Or, the frantic post-production on the three prequels never truly gave John Williams the time he needed to write the good music we've come to expect from him. That, and the constant changing and moving around of his music, probably didn't really help either.
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