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 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Part of Rosenman's jagged rhythmic work definitely owes to Schönberg (for some reason, his piano works in particular evoke Rosenman's sensibility to me - especially his "Suite for Piano," Op. 25.) You can also hear certain orchestration ideas in Roger Sessions' "Divertimento for Orchestra" (particularly the "Perpetuum Mobile" movement, with its Xylophone doubling on accented repeated notes) that paved the way for elements of "Fantastic." Of course, none of this really answers your initial question.


Thread resurrection/reminder - one of my earliest threads here @ FSM was about Leonard Rosenman's instructors (Sessions & Dallapiccola).

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66112&forumID=1&archive=0

...at the time, only one member responded. frown

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

The ones that are a bugger to find are the two Madernas you linked to. Won't give up hope.

Appears to me that the early (1950s) works of Bruno Maderna were published by Edizione Suvini Zerboni, which, by my understanding, are now part of SugarMusic S.p.A..

SugarMusic is also the successor to, and current holder of, the prior C.A.M. archives, too; for the past 2 years the Sugar logo has appeared on Italian soundtracks by labels like Digitmovies, GDM, Legend, etc.

Perhaps one contacts Sugar when inquiring about Maderna's Composizione n.2 manuscript, for example?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

Part of Rosenman's jagged rhythmic work definitely owes to Schönberg (for some reason, his piano works in particular evoke Rosenman's sensibility to me - especially his "Suite for Piano," Op. 25.) You can also hear certain orchestration ideas in Roger Sessions' "Divertimento for Orchestra" (particularly the "Perpetuum Mobile" movement, with its Xylophone doubling on accented repeated notes) that paved the way for elements of "Fantastic." Of course, none of this really answers your initial question.


Thread resurrection/reminder - one of my earliest threads here @ FSM was about Leonard Rosenman's instructors (Sessions & Dallapiccola).

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66112&forumID=1&archive=0

...at the time, only one member responded. frown


Not sure how I missed that thread the first time around! In any event, I went through a huge Sessions kick in my undergraduate days, and even had a brief correspondence with Milton Babbitt (originally to see if he knew if any recordings of Sessions' opera "Montezuma" existed) relating to him.

A professor of mine once mentioned how odd and wonderful it was that Sessions and Dallapiccola were such good friends, since their music (though it did share a few similarities here and there) is rather different in modes of expression, and indeed, in application of technique. Very different voices - I guess you could argue that by the mid/late-60s, Rosenman had inculcated both men's teachings well within, and he could be seen as the fusion of the two men's sensibilities (of course, this radically understates the importance, presence, and intelligence of Leonard's own unerring musical instincts and voice, but it might not make for a bad departure point).

The Radio France recording of "Ulysse" is the one I own, I confess that I'm so busy working on music, or listening to all of the new albums (and old ones I'm picking up or replacing) that come out every week or two, that I've not had as much time to revisit old favorites in the way I used to.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

Bumped in an attempt to keep this thread alive in the face of the great Zimmer war.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

In reply to RoryR from OnyaBirri's thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=6&forumID=1&threadID=82287&archive=0

Well, I've owned the FSM CD of this score for years. What I'd like to know is just how improved is the sound? Anyone gotten it yet that also owns the FSM release and can say?

I've got the FSM release, and judging by the clips on La La Land's website, the sound is improved a great deal. Makes the incredibly detailed klangfarben textures and polyphony stand out even more - every celeste cascade or bass clarinet slither.

BTW, JoAnn Kane Muisc Library posted this photo of pages from FANTASTIC VOYAGE on their Twitter and Facebook walls last August.



You can make out the beginning of The Chart on the left, 1:46 in The Chart in the middle, and some other cue I can't identify on the right.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

In reply to RoryR from OnyaBirri's thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=6&forumID=1&threadID=82287&archive=0

Well, I've owned the FSM CD of this score for years. What I'd like to know is just how improved is the sound? Anyone gotten it yet that also owns the FSM release and can say?

I've got the FSM release, and judging by the clips on La La Land's website, the sound is improved a great deal. Makes the incredibly detailed klangfarben textures and polyphony stand out even more - every celeste cascade or bass clarinet slither.

BTW, JoAnn Kane Muisc Library posted this photo of pages from FANTASTIC VOYAGE on their Twitter and Facebook walls last August.



You can make out the beginning of The Chart on the left, 1:46 in The Chart in the middle, and some other cue I can't identify on the right.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

In reply to RoryR from OnyaBirri's thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=6&forumID=1&threadID=82287&archive=0

Well, I've owned the FSM CD of this score for years. What I'd like to know is just how improved is the sound? Anyone gotten it yet that also owns the FSM release and can say?

I've got the FSM release, and judging by the clips on La La Land's website, the sound is improved a great deal. Makes the incredibly detailed klangfarben textures and polyphony stand out even more - every celeste cascade or bass clarinet slither.

BTW, JoAnn Kane Muisc Library posted this photo of pages from FANTASTIC VOYAGE on their Twitter and Facebook walls last August.



You can make out the beginning of The Chart on the left, 1:46 in The Chart in the middle, and some other cue I can't identify on the right.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I've re-bought many reissued CDs in the last couple of years that are said to offer "improved sound" over my previous versions. Most often, I find that the sound would be better described as "different" rather than "better".
The newer ones are almost invariably smoother, with a warmer ambience and added volume/fullness. Initially they sound improved, with the older versions colder and thinner.
But eventually, I started to note that when I played the old versions again for the first time in a while after getting used to the newer versions, they sounded crisper and more detailed, with a less "processed" sound. Instead of the wash of stereo ambience in the new ones, the more distinct channel separation and texture in the old ones had its own appeal. Sometimes, the older sounded like a veil was lifted compared to the more blended aura of the newer.
For every one I've found to offer improved, glossier, smoother sound, there's another where I've ended up preferring the old, more sharply focused version.
My opinion at present is that the new versions generally have a similar, lusher feel that seems to be some kind of "flavor-of-the-year" enhancement, but the previous releases sometimes get reinstated into my collection as first-choices after I've had repeated listens to both over time.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Thanks for that triple reply. I guess I have to seriously consider if I need to get this newer release, but now I wonder if anyone here also has the new Blu-ray of FV (which I have, it being one of my favorite movies), which has an isolated score track and how does that sound in comparison to the new CD release? I would assume the Blu-ray isolated score sounds more like the old FSM release.

 
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