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 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Cause no one gave a Shat?

Or cause Shat was gone after the first one?

I don't think the Next Gen Cast really transferred well to the Big Screen. At least not like TOS Cast did.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

To me the Abrahm's films are just mindless masturbation with TV Icons that just need to stop.

Just my opinion that's all.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

They did four movies. Honestly that is a lot for a retired TV series. Only than The Original Series—with 6 or 8 depending on how you count them—the only other television show I can think of with four movies is Mission: Impossible and even then that is a remake franchise. I can't even think of another example with three movies.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 8:09 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I think if Nemesis had performed better (and been a better movie), there could have been more. It's a shame that the TNG crew only got four movies. I think they deserved at least a couple more. As much as I disliked Nemesis, I was really sad to see it end because, while I also liked Kirk, Spock and the gang, TNG was "my" crew that I grew up with. I spent fifteen years following their adventures, and while it was a pretty solid run, I would have loved to seen it go just a little longer and receive a proper send-off like Kirk and Co. got.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I'm going to suggest that over-familiarity bred contempt for the Next Gen Crew...Seven years of TV shows, marketed to within an inch of it's life, followed by 2 great movies...then the third became a TAD tiresome (but ONLY a tad, for me at least)....people were burned out by the time Nemesis came along...

...now, everyone's going to have their own opinion about Nemesis, so I'll keep mine short...it's a decent film...it's just fine...nothing spectacular, but certainly not as bad as it seems to be remembered...but by this point everyone - writers, director, and especially audience, was TNG'd out...it could have been the best ST film of all time and no-one would have cared...

...which is a shame...I'd have liked to see another entry too as well...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Cause no one gave a Shat?

Or cause Shat was gone after the first one?

I don't think the Next Gen Cast really transferred well to the Big Screen. At least not like TOS Cast did.





The Next Gen cast vacuumed the interest in Trek right outta the room. Completely charisma free. The flaws in the NG cast were only amplified when they had to fill the big screen and capture a wide audience. I know the series was popular...but on the big screen a pasty faced robot guy actually named "Data" is kinda hilarious.

The truth is, the characters aren't likeable to a mass audience the way Kirk, Spock & McCoy are. Give those names to people on the street , they'll know it is Star Trek. Give them Riker, Picard, Data, most will NOT know who they are. The Next Gen drove the final nails into Star Trek for a looooong time.

People bash the Abrams Trek but the two new films at least he made Trek viable again, whereas TNG just killed it .

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 12:56 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

Bull!

TNG is the most successful of the Trek shows. It was Voyager and Enterprise that caused Trek to die. People got bored with it. The makers looked like hey got bored with it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I think if Nemesis had performed better (and been a better movie), there could have been more. It's a shame that the TNG crew only got four movies. I think they deserved at least a couple more. As much as I disliked Nemesis, I was really sad to see it end because, while I also liked Kirk, Spock and the gang, TNG was "my" crew that I grew up with. I spent fifteen years following their adventures, and while it was a pretty solid run, I would have loved to seen it go just a little longer and receive a proper send-off like Kirk and Co. got.

I got to know the Kirk crew through the movies and enjoyed some of them, Next Gen I grew up with and the first two TNG movies I thought were great (Generations flawed yes, but still fun), Insurrection less so and Nemesis about the worst direction they could have taken TNG.

To the OP if you want the answer to why they stopped making them = Nemesis. It was directed by someone who never watched TNG and didn't get 'star trek'. It felt like a bad reunion episode at best instead of a new star trek adventure, and Tom Hardy is easily the least menacing villain ever, they should have made his nanny Ron Perlman the main bad guy and Shinzon simply a ploy. But instead you get two hours of a guy with cramps trying to kidnap Picard.

Nemesis had the tagline 'a generation's final journey' on it, as if it were to be the last of the TNG movies, BUT the end of Nemesis clearly keeps the door open for a sequel, had there been a huge box office return I'm sure there would have been like Michael said.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 1:28 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I think the only thing I liked in INSURRECTION was Jerry's beautiful score. The film itself was meh. I think people wanted to see more action in Trek like they did in FIRST CONTACT, in my opinion the only good Next Gen Feature. INSURRECTION looked good but just didn't "Engage" for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I actually liked that they resisted the urge and didn't just make Insurrection another action movie like First Contact was, and instead did something different. As somebody pointed out here once before, it's one of the only Trek movies that actually deals with "exploring strange new worlds and new civilizations." I liked that a lot.

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Its not a simple subject like "Well, its because of pay raises" or "Because TNG sucked compared to TOS" or just one thing. The table needs a couple legs to stand on, as the saying goes.

Some of the people (actors) were just plain tired of it. Rick Berman (via Twitter) said he was worn out after so many years of Trek. Theres only so much water in the well.

Theres also a weird thing about the Trek movies that I've never quite understood. The three most popular films (STII, STIV and First Contact) are the *least* like Trek (And for me, First Contact is as dull as a beige room in a manila folder factory) but since they're the most popular, its assumed the fans wanted more "amped up" films just like them. Look at the humor in STV - the malfunctioning Captains Log is a recycled joke from STIV! - and how STVI is all serious like STII again and ... how Generations is just... an extension of the reverence that STVI ended on and... yeah... I think that hurt the franchise a lot. They peaked early and they continued to recycle and graft old things onto stories and it just didn't work. For all its faults, at least Insurrection was its own thing and Generations was a (very) thin attempt to do Its A Wonderful Life.

(And lets face it - the TOS cast members were "hungry" actors when they started their roles. When they got a ST movie, they jumped at the work. Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, Wil Wheaton... all the TNG actors had already "established" themselves elsewhere in a way and could go elsewhere for work.)

The locomotive sorta ran out of steam. I pretty much enjoyed Enterprise for the most part (The Right Stuff meets TOS!) but I was watching the paint peel on Voyager. It was only a matter of time, I guess.

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The only time the NG cast were interesting was in First Contact, which was the only time they were anything but their NG self's. I think of NG (the television series) as SciFi soap opera. Not stuff that translates well to the big screen or mass audiences.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I remember when THE NEXT GENERATION first premiered on Television I really didn't like it and had a hard time warming up to it. It wasn't till years later, in reruns where I finally accepted it and began to dig the characters. At first, with the strong presence of THE PICARD, to me it was just Star Trek gone "Shakespeare" and there was too much talking and I found it a bore. That of course loosened up a bit and yet it took me a while to get over the Bald One and his stentorian delivery. Loved it when it really kicked in and more action was introduced and Klingons and Romulans were used more.

Just personal remembrance of when it all started.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I think it was Empire Film that gave Insurrection a rave review, that loved it.
The reaction otherwise was mixed at best, but it is most like a Star Trek story.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Mercy and compassion.


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