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Sep 15, 2014 - 10:07 PM
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John Mullin
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I seem to remember there are a few takes/performances/line readings that are different as well (for whatever reason). I don't think the score is affected... it's actually a sparsely scored movie, really, outside of the battle scenes.
I vastly prefer the theatrical cut, but that's the one I knew first. I cannot stand the director's cut of that movie because the additional material really bogs the whole thing down. I was happy that the Blu Ray set was the theatrical cut, and not the director's.
Now oddly, I have the opposite opinion with STAR TREK VI. I think the director's cut is better, but then that was the only version available for a long time so maybe I just got used to it. The BD, again, is the theatrical version, and I must say that I do miss the extra scenes with Rene Auberjonois and Clarence Boddicker from 'That 70s Show.'
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Off topic but can't resist:
The quote from Moby Dick that Khan does a riff on is this:
"Who told thee that?" cried Ahab; then pausing, "Aye, Starbuck; aye, my hearties all round; it was Moby Dick that dismasted me; Moby Dick that brought me to this dead stump I stand on now. Aye, aye," he shouted with a terrific, loud, animal sob, like that of a heart-stricken moose; "Aye, aye! it was that accursed white whale that razeed me; made a poor pegging lubber of me for ever and a day!" Then tossing both arms, with measureless imprecations he shouted out: "Aye, aye! and I’ll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition’s flames before I give him up. And this is what ye have shipped for, men! to chase that white whale on both sides of land, and over all sides of earth, till he spouts black blood and rolls fin out. What say ye, men, will ye splice hands on it, now? I think ye do look brave."
I noticed this first when I was working in a video store in the 80s while in college studying Melville, and I was just tickled to realize that Shatner was apparently Khan's Moby Dick! I love Nick Meyer's literary bent.
OKay, back to topic....
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I prefer the Director's Edition of Wrath of Khan because I don't feel that the additions last long enough to slow the movie significantly, but rather add a bit more color and shading to the characterizations, particularly between Kirk and Bones. Scotty brings Peter up to the bridge in both versions, but in the Director's Edition we understand why he is so distraught about one kid when so many others were wounded or killed in Khan's attack.
The music was clearly scored to the theatrical version, so it tends to loop briefly when scored scenes have been expanded. As I recall, this is only an issue at two points toward the beginning of “Battle In the Mutara Nebula,” as Kirk informs Spock about David, and as Saavik asks Kirk how he can be sure that Khan would follow them into the nebula. While the looping is noticeable if you're familiar with the cues, it is nowhere near as bad as, say, the additional shots of Vader going to his shuttle breaking up “Hyperspace” in the Special Edition version of The Empire Strikes Back.
I prefer the original home video cut of The Undiscovered Country that expands on the conspiracy angle, but doesn't have those annoying flash-cuts during the mind-meld sequence that are completely stylistically out-of-place with the rest of the film. Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to see that version of the film in HD, or in its original aspect ratio.
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I did not care for either of Nick Meyer's Director cuts, Star Trek The Wrath of Khan or Undiscovered Country, I thought they were lesser movies because of what he added. I also never understood why Scotty would bring his dead nephew to the bridge, rather melodramatic and unnecessary in an otherwise really terrific movie, and a great score all around. Although I think that the score for Undiscovered Country is better.
The scene where Scotty brings Peter Preston (technically not his nephew in the theatrical version) to the bridge is also IN the theatrical version of the film. I just chalk that one up to dramatic effect over logic.
Meyer et al felt (and rightly so, so it's interesting he seems to have changed his mind over the years) that Scotty would be that broken up over any of his cadets and not just because this was his nephew. Removing any reference that Preston is Scotty's nephew accomplished this beautifully.
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But the nephew wasn't dead at that point. He was yes, mortally wounded. In the time it took Scotty to drag and carry him to the elevator and travel to the bridge, shouldn't he have been administering or calling for immediate First Aid? Oh yes, I forgot. This isn't reality, this is fantasy and I'm "Mr. Adventure"!
Absolutely! That's what I mean about throwing logic out the window. It's definitely a "whuh thuh fuh" moment. Powerful if one throws logic to the solar winds. 
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He meant to go to Sick Bay but Droopy was in charge of the turbo lift. This explains it!
We have a winner! I want someone to animate this!
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Sep 16, 2014 - 4:41 PM
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Zooba
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Off topic but can't resist:
The quote from Moby Dick that Khan does a riff on is this:
"Who told thee that?" cried Ahab; then pausing, "Aye, Starbuck; aye, my hearties all round; it was Moby Dick that dismasted me; Moby Dick that brought me to this dead stump I stand on now. Aye, aye," he shouted with a terrific, loud, animal sob, like that of a heart-stricken moose; "Aye, aye! it was that accursed white whale that razeed me; made a poor pegging lubber of me for ever and a day!" Then tossing both arms, with measureless imprecations he shouted out: "Aye, aye! and I’ll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition’s flames before I give him up. And this is what ye have shipped for, men! to chase that white whale on both sides of land, and over all sides of earth, till he spouts black blood and rolls fin out. What say ye, men, will ye splice hands on it, now? I think ye do look brave."
I noticed this first when I was working in a video store in the 80s while in college studying Melville, and I was just tickled to realize that Shatner was apparently Khan's Moby Dick! I love Nick Meyer's literary bent.
OKay, back to topic....
CALLING OUT TO MY GOOD BUDDY, PHOTOSHOP ARTISTE EXTRAORDINAIRE MR. DOGPLANT!
You have to Photo Shop William Shatner as a fat bloated whale with Khan (Ricardo Montalban) riding his back!
I would pay great amounts to see your work on this my friend! Take your time!
Love ya man! It can be my Birthday present. Birthday Oct. 12
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