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 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

When Disney first released their cd of Lady in the Tramp, many years ago, it came along with crazy notes that disney had prepared the film in mono optical sound and that is why the tracks on the disc were mono.
The desription for the new two disc set has the same note.
This is pure baloney. the film was four track scope stereo.

I as told at the time, by someone I knw who worked at Disney, is that the producer of the cd did NwOT have the stereo music trafks to work with because home vid had them, to use the stereo music tracks o remix the vid and laserdiscs for 5.1 stereo.

But that is not the ccase now. It sounds like Disney did not want to spend a buck to remaster from the actual three track stereo music tracks for this new cd.

Shame, Disney!


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

When Disney first released their cd of Lady in the Tramp, many years ago, it came along with crazy notes that disney had prepared the film in mono optical sound and that is why the tracks on the disc were mono.
The desription for the new two disc set has the same note.
This is pure baloney. the film was four track scope stereo.

I as told at the time, by someone I knw who worked at Disney, is that the producer of the cd did NwOT have the stereo music trafks to work with because home vid had them, to use the stereo music tracks o remix the vid and laserdiscs for 5.1 stereo.

But that is not the ccase now. It sounds like Disney did not want to spend a buck to remaster from the actual three track stereo music tracks for this new cd.

Shame, Disney!


Wow. I did not realize it actually was recorded in stereo Mr. Caps. As for your comment about Disney not bothering to remaster the material, I don't think they've bothered to remaster any of the Walt-era titles in this Legacy collection, which I find absolutely frustrating.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

They clearly added reverb to Pinocchio. That's remastering for ya. wink Sad if true about Lady and the Tramp. This whole Legacy thing seems to be a mess. Either no one knows better, or no one cares. Very strange considering the love and money they usually put into restorations.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

The "legacy collection" is quite a swindle. That's all folks. I will never buy other titles after the cheat of Lion King (wrong mix) and Sleeping Beauty (lots of unreleased music). Say goodbye to my money, Disney!

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The "legacy collection" is quite a swindle. That's all folks. I will never buy other titles after the cheat of Lion King (wrong mix) and Sleeping Beauty (lots of unreleased music). Say goodbye to my money, Disney!

And missing elements and bad mixes on Little Mermaid. frown

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I have nothing but good things to say about the two I have (Lion King and Little Mermaid), and I plan to buy all of the others in due time.

As somebody who has very little Disney music (and none pre-1991, with the exception of the Fantasia OST), this is a good way to get the most comprehensive release of each, and in a collectible format with artwork that I like. I'm not married to C&C presentations, and the quality in samples sounds good.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I have nothing but good things to say about the two I have (Lion King and Little Mermaid), and I plan to buy all of the others in due time.

As somebody who has very little Disney music (and none pre-1991, with the exception of the Fantasia OST), this is a good way to get the most comprehensive release of each, and in a collectible format with artwork that I like. I'm not married to C&C presentations, and the quality in samples sounds good.


There's enough new music on Lion King and Little Mermaid to warrant it's purchase. But all the releases are hit and miss.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   unamochilla2   (Member)

The Little Mermaid LC was mostly a hit, but there were still some issues that were puzzling. I guess these releases are better than nothing. If you look at the bonus content of the CDs, you can fill out a survey about a particular release and let your voice be heard... for what it's worth.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

When Disney first released their cd of Lady in the Tramp, many years ago, it came along with crazy notes that disney had prepared the film in mono optical sound and that is why the tracks on the disc were mono.
The desription for the new two disc set has the same note.
This is pure baloney. the film was four track scope stereo.

I as told at the time, by someone I knw who worked at Disney, is that the producer of the cd did NwOT have the stereo music trafks to work with because home vid had them, to use the stereo music tracks o remix the vid and laserdiscs for 5.1 stereo.

But that is not the ccase now. It sounds like Disney did not want to spend a buck to remaster from the actual three track stereo music tracks for this new cd.

Shame, Disney!


Unless you held these so-called stereo elements in your hand, I'm afraid they exist no more than those stereo elements you claim existed for On the Waterfront. Randy Thornton has spent decades scouring the Disney vaults doing countless restorations. There is no reason he would decide to just ignore stereo elements on this one title and go with mono. You claim their home video dept had them...but that dept. does not have its own music archive. They would have sourced and returned anything to same vault that Randy already plays in. The movie is in stereo -- but the music is not. Disney's music archive is one of the best organized and most comprehensive I have ever seen. To claim that Randy worked on the cheap or lazily on this is an insult to all the tireless work he has done. He deserves a lot more respect than this. When I spoke with him prior to this release he knew someone would complain about this and not understand the real situation. He called that one!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


Randy Thornton called nothing!!!
It's easy - all one needs to do is pull ones head out of the sand and listen to the dvd of Lady and the Tramp, where the music is certainly NOT mono.

As for On the Waterfront. Chace audio had a demo disc of that system that takes the wow out of music tracks. ONe of the demos was part of the Love scene from On the Waterfron, in stereo.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

When I spoke with him prior to this release he knew someone would complain about this and not understand the real situation. He called that one!


He could have forestalled any possible complaints by being forthcoming with details about his difficulties.
Complaints arise when the customer has no info with which to prevent speculation.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Tony Renaud   (Member)

When I spoke with him prior to this release he knew someone would complain about this and not understand the real situation. He called that one!


He could have forestalled any possible complaints by being forthcoming with details about his difficulties.
Complaints arise when the customer has no info with which to prevent speculation.


Yes we have to be soothsayer?

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Roger has answered the charge. Enough said.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

When I spoke with him prior to this release he knew someone would complain about this and not understand the real situation. He called that one!


He could have forestalled any possible complaints by being forthcoming with details about his difficulties.
Complaints arise when the customer has no info with which to prevent speculation.


Yes we have to be soothsayer?


Or read the announcement perhaps. I thought this line addressed the issue: Although the movie is a CinemaScope film and in stereo (at least the dialog and sound effects are), the music elements have always been in mono.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Again, Roger - listen to the dvd - the music is stereo and always was in stereo.
Part of the deal for doing early Scope films is
A. the process had to be licensed from Fox who developed the system
B. in the contrack, it was specified the film had to be in color and stereophonic sound.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

But Joe, was there anything in the contract about the *music* specifically having to be in stereophonic sound?

All of what you said doesn't necessarily contradict Roger, aside from your ears themselves when you watch the DVD(which might possibly be playing tricks on you).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   unamochilla2   (Member)

But Joe, was there anything in the contract about the *music* specifically having to be in stereophonic sound?

All of what you said doesn't necessarily contradict Roger, aside from your ears themselves when you watch the DVD(which might possibly be playing tricks on you).

Yavar


You could be right. I can't comment on Lady and the Tramp, but they tried to "stereofy" mono elements for the earlier films such as Cinderella and Snow White.... at least in the front speakers.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   Score Whore   (Member)

My only gripe with THE LITTLE MERMAID is that there is NO silence padding after the last track ends. If you put both CDs into one album in iTunes, as soon as "Happy Ending" finishes on CD1, its launches straight into the demo of "Fathoms Below" on CD2, with no break. It's awful.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 10:39 PM   
 By:   unamochilla2   (Member)

My only gripe with THE LITTLE MERMAID is that there is NO silence padding after the last track ends. If you put both CDs into one album in iTunes, as soon as "Happy Ending" finishes on CD1, its launches straight into the demo of "Fathoms Below" on CD2, with no break. It's awful.

The "Happy Ending" cue has a weird glitch towards the end as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2015 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

If you listen to the discrete stereo track on the blu ray, which supposedly represents the original 1956 stereo mix, there seems a lack of separation in the music. The sound effects, however, are widely placed and panned across the 2.55:1 CinemaScope screen.

 
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