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 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The issue is those that "don't understand", don't want to understand. Thus the question is rather pointless and tends only to provoke. I can understand why some prefer composer arranged OST's. It's not that thought provoking. So why should those that prefer C&C be any different?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Even composers seem to be coming round to the C&C way of thinking - by that I mean that the full score can and should be appreciated as a total work of art. Even John Williams - once master of the reworked album sequence - seems happy to have new restorations like Home Alone and Jaws / Jaws 2 out there! :-)

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The issue is those that "don't understand", don't want to understand.

As far as I'm concerned, that is the primary reason to discuss these things... to understand. Obviously, it makes no measurable difference in my life how Thor or you anyone else listens to soundtracks (and vice versa). Album presentations, C&C, slice+dice, shuffle at random (through single discs, composers, entire collections, whatever), hey, it's all up to you.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

It's worth repeating the original poster's major point: "There are lots of things I would like to see expanded. But I would rather have something that hasn't been released at all!" I think that was what was meant by the phrase "I don't understand...." in the sense that, "wouldn't we all rather have something new?"

But I think that's a false choice (I already said this, but then, in a thread this long, I don't expect anyone to look for my earlier posts, however brilliantly expressed).

Clearly these expansions preserve iconic film scores, bring a fuller experience of the music to true-believer fans, and are typically the most successful releases for these intrepid companies. Which is essential to their continuing to release scores of all kinds, which they continue to do. It's never gonna be a choice between re-releasing an expansion vs. something yet unreleased, those are on two separate tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

I suppose I should clarify.

I have NOTHING against expansions. What I was griping about was the lack of imagination in what what people were wishing for.

You can wish for anything you want!!!!!! You could wish for John Barry's wife to walk into Intrada's office with boxes and boxes of old master tapes of things thought lost. You could wish for Bill Gates to donate $1 million to the labels to expedite the release of more music. Heck, you could wish for the moon to turn to cheese if you want!

But what do people wish for in these threads? More Titanic! More Somewhere in Time! More Conan the Barbarian!

Think bigger! Wish for something we don't have AT ALL since wishing is FREE and has no limits.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Think bigger! Wish for something we don't have AT ALL since wishing is FREE and has no limits.

Except... that once you take away stuff that we know is missing/lost (where wishing is literally futile) I'd rather have 30 minutes of unreleased Goldsmith/Williams from a partially released score than 30 minutes of something brand new from someone like, say, Joe Renzetti or Marc Streitenfeld.

My wish list of unreleased scores is very small now. I suspect labels are actually running out of available material that will sell.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Releasing a score for the first time, or releasing previously unreleased music in an expansion generates the same results. Either way it's releasing previously unreleased music.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

This is a popular subject. You must have heard of that advertising slogan - new & improved - well that's yer expanded release. If it's a re-release then the record companies need an edge, an extra track or two doesn't hurt, people are trying to make a living here! More tracks than you want? Well there are millions of people in the world with bigger problems than that smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2015 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

And remember that much of the time what's being expanded is no longer available. Sure YOU may have bought the old version, but what about that person that discovered composer X (or film music in general) four years ago?

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

To Tall Guy:

You can evoke the name of Shostakovich from now till doomsday; you still can't fool me into thinking you're some sort of high-brow, intellectual

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Its threads like this, that help Thor through those long, long, long, Nordic nights


LOL!

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Well I hope the poor bastard understands the desire for expansions now.

I think Jim Phelps wins the No Prize for best post in this thread. Just want to point it out. But good joke about those long Nordic nights, Mr. Marshall.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

To Tall Guy:

You can evoke the name of Shostakovich from now till doomsday; you still can't fool me into thinking you're some sort of high-brow, intellectual



I'll bet you a year's wages that my brow is higher than yours

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Well I hope the poor bastard understands the desire for expansions now.

I think Jim Phelps wins the No Prize for best post in this thread. Just want to point it out.


Yep. :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

To Tall Guy:

You can evoke the name of Shostakovich from now till doomsday; you still can't fool me into thinking you're some sort of high-brow, intellectual


Well, as John Lennon once said: 'Who the f**k is Shostakovitch?'

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I thought it was Shostakovich who said that about Lennon?!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2015 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

No, he said that about Stalin, just after Stalin passed away.

 
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