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 Posted:   Apr 19, 2016 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

My ancient decision to put Thor on the "ignore" list continues to bear fruit.

Yes, because God knows we can't be critical of any aspect of Goldsmith's music. We can't have that. Oh no.



Isn't this "Intrada Intrada Intrada I can't hear you?"

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2016 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Cmdr. Bond   (Member)

Here's a reason (if not the principal reason) I think Goldsmith's application of electronics for Hoosiers is so incredible: At the time of the film's release, the then-new-sounding aesthetic made the film feel more contemporary for a 1986 audience; today, the now-more-antiquated sound actually gives the film a more true-to-its-setting old-fashioned quality. That’s genius of forethought there.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2016 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

My ancient decision to put Thor on the "ignore" list continues to bear fruit.

Yes, because God knows we can't be critical of any aspect of Goldsmith's music. We can't have that. Oh no.




Finally, a discussion on a level I can follow.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2016 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)


Hoosiers is (again IMO) more of a hybrid of this and Goldsmith's more lyrical style. It was risky and very counterintuitive to use this approach for such a folksy kind of movie, but works extremely well and really pumps up the energy and emotiveness of the film.


That's what I thought at the time as well... I first heard the original soundtrack LP, and it was a surprise to hear modern eletronics blended into the score. Personally, I tend to like Goldsmith integrated electronics into the orchestra, particularly since he tended to record them live with, which gives the electronics an "air" around them.

Once I saw the film, I was floored by how well the music boosted the the sports action with the electronics, they were "right" for Hoosiers.



The electronics are just fine. Many reviews, both in and out of the film music community say " the electronic music is wrong for a movie set in the 1950's". But as had been pointed out before, point that finger at Ben Hur, Ten Commandments, which use huge orchestral scores that don't fit the time period. OK, so, they're just wrong wink

Goldsmith knew how to use synths just fine. He used them just as another instrument in the orchestra, adding another color. I love how he used them to add urgency to his action scores, for instance.

Hoosiers is one of my favorite scores. Ain't a thing wrong with it big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2016 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but it's been my observation over the years that these kind of films seem to have more of an emotional effect on those of us who actually PLAYED the sports and competed on a team.

I agree wholeheartedly. And can relate too to what you said about making the big shot at age 17. There's a line the Barbara Hershey character says about men who haven't done anything with their lives outside of Hickory who end up with nothing better to do than sit around reliving their glory days playing high school basketball. Well, the same goes for people who have made something with their lives. You never forget them glory days in sports, they stay with you for a lifetime!

So many people consider HOOSIERS one of the best sports films ever made.

I saw it the week it hit the theatres. In fact, can recall being accompanied by one of my star athletes who was 17 (went on to pro baseball, btw) and his buddy. There was too much for me to relate to; at the time I was a coach (baseball), a high school basketball referee, and basketball was always my best sport as a player. Little guy but some nights hit them 20-footers like layups.smile What hit home with ferocious reality is how the film captured life on the court and life off the court and how as a coach you sometimes help them deal with things off the court because, among other things, you get better players out of the deal at game time. When it really matters!wink Now that sounds selfish, I know, but hey, fact is they ended up getting the best of both worlds. And the satisfaction was mutual.

I like the movie and the score. Parts during the games are rhythmic and exciting, and I always thought the slow theme was a perfect "Americana" theme.

JG approached the film like the 'athletic' composer he was. He created two scores a la for life off the court and life on the court. Pastoral for one and scintillating for the other. And then the two merged after the winning shot. Oh did they merge! What a glorious piece of scoring. You got the lovely heartfelt Americana of the film's opening fused with the unmitigated joy of surprise victory at the final buzzer. A big-time triumph. All around.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 10:21 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Ha! Earlier this evening I was still thinking basketball and then pondered over the new Jackie Robinson doc of last week and this all led me to looking up Go Man Go, which I had seen on TV as a kid. It is a full length feature based on the founding of the Harlem Globetrotters and was made in 1954, the year the real Hoosiers one the championship. Legendary names I've known since childhood like Sweetwater Clifton, Goose Tatum and Marques Haynes play themselves. And what a surprise to see that a legendary name I've known since...oh I don't know...composed the score: Alex North! That did it, I went to Amazon and found the DVD and it was instant order. This should be a nice on-topic follow-up.

Oh and I must thank the OPer for that wonderful youtube presentation that started this thread. What a neat montage or pastiche or whatever. And it was great to hear the LSO suite, too, for an added aural flavor. Can't get the score out of my head. And I ain't complainin'.

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2016 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Per Intrada sale my Hoosiers CD arrived and for one solid week I've been playing it from beginning to end in the car non-stop. Always felt it was great on long car trips (audiocassette days) but the expanded CD with intermittent short cues works so well with everyday driving that I may just leave it in there permanently.

Here's a reason (if not the principal reason) I think Goldsmith's application of electronics for Hoosiers is so incredible: At the time of the film's release, the then-new-sounding aesthetic made the film feel more contemporary for a 1986 audience; today, the now-more-antiquated sound actually gives the film a more true-to-its-setting old-fashioned quality. That’s genius of forethought there.

Interesting how that happens. The opening credits of The Time Of Your Life were purely contemporary for the 1948 audience member but for this audience member of today, the sound with the image of beloved actors/character actors now-long-gone gives it a haunting, melancholic beauty not possible back then. Just thought I'd throw in an aesthetic correlation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3L9Y4Pkwmk

PS
my oh my fellow Jersey boy Jimmy Lydon is still around at 92...

 
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