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 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Am I remembering correctly that Goldsmith didn't want a release of this score because he was unhappy with the performance? If so, I can't understand why he said that.... I hear nothing wrong with the performances! They're fantastic!
Does anyone know who performed the trumpet solos on this score?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Am I remembering correctly that Goldsmith didn't want a release of this score because he was unhappy with the performance? If so, I can't understand why he said that.... I hear nothing wrong with the performances! They're fantastic!
Does anyone know who performed the trumpet solos on this score?



It had nothing to do with performance, the only tape that existed was the mono open reel master in MGM Vaults and Jerry just didn't think it sounded all that good and that's why he didn't wish it to be released.

He liked the score, but the sound didn't thrill him.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Interesting!!!! I think it's some of the best-sounding mono I've heard, or as a dear friend of mine who said he was going to treat me to lunch( big grin) several months ago said, "The sound is demonstration-class"... or maybe he was talking about another score. Regardless, I think the sound (for mono) is wonderful, AND, if you have your head turned so that only one ear is facing your speakers, you don't even NOTICE that it's mono! big grinbig grinbig grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The mono sounded great in the theater when I first saw the film. And certainly the optical soundtrack on that print did not offer the frequency response of mag tape.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Interesting!!!! I think it's some of the best-sounding mono I've heard, or as a dear friend of mine who said he was going to treat me to lunch( big grin) several months ago said, "The sound is demonstration-class"... or maybe he was talking about another score. Regardless, I think the sound (for mono) is wonderful, AND, if you have your head turned so that only one ear is facing your speakers, you don't even NOTICE that it's mono! big grinbig grinbig grin

I'm the one that said I thought the sound was demonstration class; I still do. (And I'm still going to treat him to lunch.) (So I'm a little slow.... I'm 74 years old.... these things take time....)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Interesting!!!! I think it's some of the best-sounding mono I've heard, or as a dear friend of mine who said he was going to treat me to lunch( big grin) several months ago said, "The sound is demonstration-class"... or maybe he was talking about another score. Regardless, I think the sound (for mono) is wonderful, AND, if you have your head turned so that only one ear is facing your speakers, you don't even NOTICE that it's mono! big grinbig grinbig grin

I'm the one that said I thought the sound was demonstration class; I still do. (And I'm still going to treat him to lunch.) (So I'm a little slow.... I'm 74 years old.... these things take time....)


big grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Makes me wonder what Goldsmith thought of the films he scored that were only in mono?

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Makes me wonder what Goldsmith thought of the films he scored that were only in mono?

Good question. Does anyone know for a fact that Jerry Goldsmith didn't like the recording?

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 10:38 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I always thought the synth in the film sounded different than what's heard on the album.
Knockout score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2016 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Makes me wonder what Goldsmith thought of the films he scored that were only in mono?

Good question. Does anyone know for a fact that Jerry Goldsmith didn't like the recording?


I posted it earlier...

He just didn't like the sound on only available source.

I was told that directly by the man himself.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2016 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Was the score recorded in mono?

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2016 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Was the score recorded in mono?

I believe that back in those days, although a score might be recorded in stereo or on multi-tracks in the recording sessions, if they knew it would ultimately be put on a mono soundtrack, the orchestra was recorded in a certain way so that in the mono downmix certain instruments or sounds would be prominent and others less so. One of the reasons why so many hate stereo remixes of originally mono movie soundtracks.

I know someone (not me) that hates the original stereo recording of Goldsmith's main title for ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES because it doesn't sound like the same mix in the original mono soundtrack.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2016 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Makes me wonder what Goldsmith thought of the films he scored that were only in mono?

Good question. Does anyone know for a fact that Jerry Goldsmith didn't like the recording?


Same question, but documented and not merely heresay.

Thanks

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2016 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

So, I gather now that the score was recorded in stereo, with the intent to produce a mono mix, which is what survived. But the stereo tracks did in fact exist initially but were lost? I've wondered the same thing about the Step Out of Line/Brotherhood of the Bell release. No one would have foreseen a use for them in stereo, but how were they recorded?

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2016 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Makes me wonder what Goldsmith thought of the films he scored that were only in mono?

Good question. Does anyone know for a fact that Jerry Goldsmith didn't like the recording?


Same question, but documented and not merely heresay.


Ford did many projects with Goldsmith himself. Ford heard him say it, which despite the same root words doesn't make something "hearsay."

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2016 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Good question. Does anyone know for a fact that Jerry Goldsmith didn't like the recording?


Same question, but documented and not merely heresay.

Thanks


What can be less hearsay than having somebody here at this board who was personally told by Jerry Goldsmith?

The only thing less hearsay might be Jerry Goldsmith posting it himself here.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2016 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)





The only thing less hearsay might be Jerry Goldsmith posting it himself here.



Well THAT would be creepy!! big grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grin

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2016 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Was Jerry ever dissatisfied with performance aside from the scores he re-recorded? I remember someone saying he didn't like the end result of Poltergeist, but I'm not sure if that was confirmed

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2016 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Makes me wonder what Goldsmith thought of the films he scored that were only in mono?

Good question. Does anyone know for a fact that Jerry Goldsmith didn't like the recording?


Same question, but documented and not merely heresay.


Ford did many projects with Goldsmith himself. Ford heard him say it, which despite the same root words doesn't make something "hearsay."


Interesting answer Mr. Schiff. Thanks.

However, I was looking for a documented answer i.e. an article, interview.. etc. Ironically, your answer is an almost perfect illustration of heresay wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2016 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

However, I was looking for a documented answer i.e. an article, interview.. etc. Ironically, your answer is an almost perfect illustration of heresay wink

First of all, hearsay, please! I keep thinking you're accusing me of heresy!

Yes, in a court of law, Ford's statement would likely be inadmissible on hearsay grounds. But outside of court, "hearsay" generally means "unsubstantiated rumor," and I don't think that's what we're talking about. It's unlikely Goldsmith would ever have done an interview stating "I never want this soundtrack released on the following grounds" (and even if he had, having been interviewed for newspapers -- including major ones -- I can tell you that I have been quoted saying things I never said!). So for the sake of this thread, I'll take Ford's statement, one step removed from the horse's mouth, as the answer.

 
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