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 Posted:   Nov 17, 2017 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   mortenbond   (Member)

As a fan of Miklos Rozsas Eye of the Needle score I often listen to the Varese CD. But the recording is rather terrible. Bootleg quality of the worst kind. If ever there was a score in need of a proper rerecording it is this.

Anyone with me on this?

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2017 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Nope, it doesn't. And the reason is quite simple: the Varese album *was* the re-recording. And I agree with you that it is disappointing. But the film recording, unreleased on CD, was recorded by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and it is fantastic. It also still exists, as evidenced by the isolated score track on the Twilight Time Blu-ray -- much more music, and a much better performance that negates the need for any new recording (especially when there are completely lost Rozsa scores or ones that sound absolutely terrible like The Golden Voyage of Sinbad).

Sadly Varese doesn't seem to be in a hurry to put out the film recording on CD, which apparently only they can do as they have perpetuity rights resulting from their album recording.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2017 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Someone care to tell me what's wrong with the Varese? I thought I was super picky about sound quality, but I'll need some guidance with this one as it sounds fine to me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2017 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Someone care to tell me what's wrong with the Varese? I thought I was super picky about sound quality, but I'll need some guidance with this one as it sounds fine to me.

I'm with you. "Bootleg quality of the worst kind"? Really?

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2017 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Agreed that it's not at all bootleg quality, but in comparison to the original film recording it is far inferior (maybe you'd prefer it if you really like that "concert hall" sound?) But it's performance-wise that it really suffers in comparison, IMHO.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2017 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I haven't heard the film recording since I saw the film (quite a while ago), so I can't speak to that.

Is the existing CD’s sound great? No, I guess it's not. Would I buy the original recording if offered? Yup.

But the sort of hyperbole in the first post (bootleg quality of the worst kind) is pretty silly.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2017 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

(maybe you'd prefer it if you really like that "concert hall" sound?) Yavar

I think I do actually. It's less harsh, for one. When you pull the mikes back you give the instruments room to breathe. As to performance, I can't compare it to the original but on its face it seems fine. There are no glaring pacing problems or missed notes that I can detect. What exactly is the problem with performance?

(This thread is rather strange to me actually, as I always categorized "Eye" as one of my better sounding recordings. I've even used it to demo equipment to friends).

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2017 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

They are two notably different performances -and that starting on the sheets. Comparing the commercial with the film recording is like comparing the Hollywood recording of "Ben-Hur" with the LP recordings.

Other than TOO much compression on the Encore edition (which seems to be the case with pretty much every Varese release for the last decade or so), I seen no problem with sound quality.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2017 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

The Varese has concert sound. It sounds a bit like the Bernstein-conducted Utah album, or the Kojian Korngolds. A fashion at the time. The OST is faster (especially the title music) and more fragmentary than the rearranged album, which is good nonetheless.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2017 - 4:37 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

The Varese has concert sound. It sounds a bit like the Bernstein-conducted Utah album, or the Kojian Korngolds.

Agree. I know those recordings and like that sound. For all that I appreciate the philosophy behind Tadlow's close miking, I do find the sound somewhat unmerciful. Maybe it's because I use headphones, where the sound is funneled directly into the ear. Maybe with speakers the effect is kinder, but I'm never likely to find out.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2017 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Fragmentary or not as opposed to the album's suites, the actual performance and recording of the original film score are far superior. Anyone who has heard the Blu-ray track knows this -- I hope everyone gets a change to hear it on CD some day.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2017 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

Anyone interested in checking out the original release, you can get the CD for big bucks, but the vinyl is cheap.

http://amzn.to/2hOIIJ6

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2017 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I'd be all over it. Start a Kickstarter someone! I haven't even heard the score yet, but always like the novel and movie.

I'd love to see Time after Time redone as well, saw the movie when it first came out, good one.

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2017 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Ironically, Eye of the Needle AND Time After Time were *both* already "redone" -- by the composer himself, with newly recorded albums on LP, distinct from the film tracks. In both cases though we have ultimately gotten the film recording which sounds great. Now if these were money-making ventures, sure I'd love new recordings of virtually every Rozsa score! But sadly almost every re-recording loses a great deal of money and there are limited resources.

Why divert those valuable resources to Rozsa scores which were already recorded very well for the film (and these are some of his most recent scores to boot)? Why not instead spend the money to record Rozsa scores that either had poor original recordings (ie. The Golden Voyage of Sinbad) or, even more importantly, might be completely lost? The Jungle Book deserves a complete recording on the level of Thief of Bagdad, for instance. Or what about his very first film score, the excellent Knight Without Armor? Or his barely-represented second Oscar winner, A Double Life?

I'm surprised that everyone doesn't realize these are much, MUCH higher priorities than getting a *third* recording of Eye of the Needle or Time After Time.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2017 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

WagnerAlmighty, in case you were unaware, I just wanted to inform you of the FSM release of Time After Time (the complete original film tracks, sounding amazing): https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/416/Time-After-Time/

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2017 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Was the OST of Eye of the Needle released? I don't think I would have missed that…

The FSM Time After Time has much better sound than the Southern Cross CD of the Entr'acte LP, but I have to admit there are a few cues (“Redwoods,” “The Time Machine Waltz”) where I prefer the London performance.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

WagnerAlmighty, in case you were unaware, I just wanted to inform you of the FSM release of Time After Time (the complete original film tracks, sounding amazing): https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/416/Time-After-Time/

Yavar


Well, it's a pretty penny for it. Again I keep running into that Treasury expense, one which I probably need to focus on before I go too crazy with my current endeavor (which is everything that is prime Alfred Newman) smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Dr. Lao   (Member)

Was the OST of Eye of the Needle released? I don't think I would have missed that…



Varese released twice its re-recording, but there's a boot floating around and a bluray with ISO score.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   superwidescreen   (Member)

As a fan of Miklos Rozsas Eye of the Needle score I often listen to the Varese CD. But the recording is rather terrible. Bootleg quality of the worst kind. If ever there was a score in need of a proper rerecording it is this.

Anyone with me on this?


It might be a possibility... BUT: To make this a possibility, you first have to do your homework and support James Fitzpatrick's "King Of Kings" Kickstarter project. If this is successfully funded, everything would be possible! So, if you haven't donated yet, then do it NOW!

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2017 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

As a fan of Miklos Rozsas Eye of the Needle score I often listen to the Varese CD. But the recording is rather terrible. Bootleg quality of the worst kind. If ever there was a score in need of a proper rerecording it is this.

Anyone with me on this?


It might be a possibility... BUT: To make this a possibility, you first have to do your homework and support James Fitzpatrick's "King Of Kings" Kickstarter project. If this is successfully funded, everything would be possible! So, if you haven't donated yet, then do it NOW!


Yes and a hearty YAY!!!!

 
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