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 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I've just finished writing a novel: my first. I've submitted it to a literary agent.

I know that many published writers experienced rejection many times before anything came to fruition. How many failed submissions would it take to reasonably conclude that a book is a piece of shit?

Do you think a book can be good in its own right but wrong for the time or the tone?

Anyone else with experiences to share?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I've just finished writing a novel: my first. I've submitted it to a literary agent.

I know that many published writers experienced rejection many times before anything came to fruition. How many failed submissions would it take to reasonably conclude that a book is a piece of shit?

Do you think a book can be good in its own right but wrong for the time or the tone?

Anyone else with experiences to share?



Not here, sorry. Just make sure that, when it is published, you sign me a couple of first editions, just in case.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I have two novels in my parents' attic, written when I was a teenager. One of them actually has a decent story, and I've long considered to re-write it with my adult prose, but I've been hesitant for the reasons you cite. So much work, with such big potential for rejection.

But congrats nonetheless!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Remember that the author of A Wrinkle in Time was turned down by 15 publishing firms, and look at it now. Hang in there.

My brother had a few horror novels published. At first his books were turned down a lot. Then he switched agents and got one who did more promotions. That is always an option.

Wishing you great luck. Hoping TG and I get first editions. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Another alternative is to self-publish.
The first trick is to scrape the bread together.
Then it becomes a waiting game to see if it does well enough among all the other independents to warrant notice by the majors.
If that happens, then you'd be sitting pretty and considering the offers.
That would be amazing.
But I'm probably not saying anything you haven't already thought about.

Which ever way you choose, best of luck!

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

I have written and sold ten novels. I have another on Amazon.
If your novel doesn't sell the first time out, look up writer's conferences in your area. Often at these conferences, they have editors and agents and you can get an interview with them. Take your manuscript with you. When you get your appointment, take the first two chapters and a synopsis with you. (Take as many copies as you have interviews.) They will read that, or take it with them and probably let you know later. It is important that you meet the editor or agent. That way you become a real person to them, not just a name on a manuscript.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Good luck Jeh and good on you mgh.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2018 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Another alternative is to self-publish.

I'd consider that as a final option but I like the idea of a professional doing the cover design, editing, copy-editing, proofreading, etc.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2019 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)


Not here, sorry. Just make sure that, when it is published, you sign me a couple of first editions, just in case.


I just got a few copies printed (paperback 230pp). It looks pretty good in the flesh.

I'll send you one if you email your details - signed of course. I suppose you'd call it a minus-first edition 'cos its not properly published. But one day perhaps ... who knows?

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2019 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I have two novels in my parents' attic, written when I was a teenager. One of them actually has a decent story, and I've long considered to re-write it with my adult prose, but I've been hesitant for the reasons you cite. So much work, with such big potential for rejection.

But congrats nonetheless!


I sent it to about 8 agents and got 8 rejections. However, one was very nice and said it had a lot of things going for it but it didn't fit into what he needed at the moment.

In the end I just wanted to see / hold the physical copy, so I sent it to a print on demand service. I'm pretty pleased with the result.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2019 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

"...a few copies printed... not properly published..." - Not quite sure what that means, J, but it sounds like a big step in the right direction. Good luck - hope you feel spurred on to keep going for it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2019 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Good luck jehannum.
Plenty of literary agents out there - they have all the contacts and will know where best to approach with your book eg which publishing house specialises in whatever subject, thriller, horror, drama etc.

One piece of advice i can give is not to be afraid to circulate your manuscript to your friends n relatives, espec those who you consider to have good judgment. Get them to proof read your story with a red pen, query anything n everything, mark superflous words, and make suggestions/deletions/additions. Does a paragraph or chapter drag? Where is it weak? Anything. Etc etc. All of this - once youve cleaned it up - better prepares it for an agent and makes it less likely to be ripped apart/criticised/sent back for rewriting.

*sorry was typing this before i saw your post about 8 agents.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2019 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

"...a few copies printed... not properly published..." - Not quite sure what that means, J, but it sounds like a big step in the right direction. Good luck - hope you feel spurred on to keep going for it.

Self-publishing. I got the idea when I received Nick Lucid's (a YouTuber who runs The Science Asylum) book on mathematics used in physics. It was quite nicely done so I used the same company for mine.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2019 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


Not here, sorry. Just make sure that, when it is published, you sign me a couple of first editions, just in case.


I just got a few copies printed (paperback 230pp). It looks pretty good in the flesh.

I'll send you one if you email your details - signed of course. I suppose you'd call it a minus-first edition 'cos its not properly published. But one day perhaps ... who knows?


Email sent!

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2019 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I've edited a couple of manuscripts.
I strongly advise you have an impartial person read it and make suggestions before submitting.

Good luck#

 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2019 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

all the best with the book.
look guys we have a man for all seasons.
if your book is as enjoyable as you quite songs or as angry has your hard rock it should be one hell of a book.(please discount my run on sentence.) you know I just might write a once sentence book.

 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2019 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

all the best with the book.
look guys we have a man for all seasons.
if your book is as enjoyable as you quite songs or as angry has your hard rock it should be one hell of a book.(please discount my run on sentence.) you know I just might write a once sentence book.


Dog proves my point about getting a proofreader/editor!
wink

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

all the best with the book.
look guys we have a man for all seasons.
if your book is as enjoyable as you quite songs or as angry has your hard rock it should be one hell of a book.(please discount my run on sentence.) you know I just might write a once sentence book.


Cheers.

At least one tall FSMer has a copy wending its way towards him. Perhaps he'll let us know if it's enjoyable or not!

It has been proof-read although, annoyingly, I did notice one typo in the print proof. I don't suppose that's the end of the world - many books I've read have the odd mistake.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2019 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

all the best with the book.
look guys we have a man for all seasons.
if your book is as enjoyable as you quite songs or as angry has your hard rock it should be one hell of a book.(please discount my run on sentence.) you know I just might write a once sentence book.


Cheers.

At least one tall FSMer has a copy wending its way towards him. Perhaps he'll let us know if it's enjoyable or not!

It has been proof-read although, annoyingly, I did notice one typo in the print proof. I don't suppose that's the end of the world - many books I've read have the odd mistake.



And I'm very much looking forward to it, having just finished skimming through a cook book based on the food mentioned in Patrick O'Brian's Jack Aubrey/Stephen Maturin series.

A review (of the former) will follow in due course. Hasn't arrived yet, though.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2019 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

There are lots of agents out there but there are problems: many do not take unsolicited works, and many others simply only take certain genres or other specific submissions. And you'll no doubt have to shop around, which is costly.

Make sure you've copyrighted your work, and mailed yourself a copy of the finished script (and don't open it; keep it as evidence incase you find yourself in court due to some unscrupulous company).


Doing research online years ago, I found self publishing not only costs money, but the profit is little; people think they'll become rich or live off it, but the reality is starkly different. And there is a sea of self-published books that yours becomes lost in.


A local library here is a section display just for local authors; consider checking your libraries for something similar and have a way to for readers to purchase your work, printed in the book.

 
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