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 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)



Part 2 of my Kevin Costner double feature this past weekend was revisiting Field of Dreams (1989) which I've not seen in a long time. It was quick and easy to reinforce what a unique, timeless and perfect film it is, as is the score. There may be plenty of films about second chances and following dreams, but there isn't another IMO that does it like this one.

The script and the dialogue is just beautiful and I'm compelled to read Kinsella's Shoeless Joe book now. The performances are spot on, particularly by James Earl Jones who was robbed by not even receiving the courtesy of an Oscar nomination. When James Earl leaves us, his final shot in this movie is how I will remember him, laughing like a schoolboy as he heads into the corn fields. And then there's Burt Lancaster as Doc Graham in a moving performance that endures. What a perfect way for Mr. Lancaster to depart his craft...

The cinematography...breathtaking, ain't it? Fewer process shots than one would think, and a lot of luck and good timing to get some of those sunsets just right. Gorgeous-looking film.

James Horner's score is incredible for a variety of reasons, the main one being that the combination of the music's beauty with the emotional power of what's happening on screen makes even the Incredible Hulk well up with tears. The special features on the DVD frequently mention how this film is a favorite of many baseball legends who aren't afraid to admit this is one of the movies that makes 'em cry. Horner's work is integral in providing that result. I've always had a fondness for the two upbeat tracks of the score that accompany building the field and going to the library. They are two of Horner's most catchy and unique themes (one of them even includes lively tambourines!).

Now that 20 years has passed, I'm reminded how strong the film still resonates and how it will no doubt continue to do so for decades to come. Another perfect film and a perfect score from a bygone era, not so long ago, yet seemingly centuries ago.


And my favorite line:

"You lied to me!"
"Well you were kidnaping me at the time, ya big jerk!"


 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

It's really a shame that Phil Alden Robinson didn't work more.

Just thinking about "The Place Where Dreams Come True" makes me want to just start crying all over the keyboard.

The "Moonlight" Graham subplot is my favorite, and recently it's been reminding me of our friend Howard L. I don't know why, but I'm now forever associating Howard with movies and television shows that deal with similar themes as Field Of Dreams and the "Walking Distance" style Twilight Zone episodes.

Some of Horner's best use of synths in this score, as well. "Night Mists" is a keeper.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

It's really a shame that Phil Alden Robinson didn't work more.

Just thinking about "The Place Where Dreams Come True" makes me want to just start crying all over the keyboard.

The "Moonlight" Graham subplot is my favorite, and recently it's been reminding me of our friend Howard L. I don't know why, but I'm now forever associating Howard with movies and television shows that deal with similar themes as Field Of Dreams and the "Walking Distance" style Twilight Zone episodes.

Some of Horner's best use of synths in this score, as well. "Night Mists" is a keeper.





^ I agree with this idiot.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

Also, in the "Field Of Dreams Scrapbook" documentary, Horner has to figure out some of the themes on piano for Phil Robinson, and has a bit of trouble playing them accurately.

That was a an interview made in 1996, not 25 or so years after like Star Trek II was when he had trouble recalling those themes.

Clearly a precedent was set with that long before Trek II's interview.

Is he a "maroon" for that as well?

Sincerely curious, not sarcastic.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)


Is he a "maroon" for that as well?





 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think I saw the film many years ago, but I can't really remember. Baseball has limited interest in this neck of the woods, after all (even though the theme of this film is obviously broader than that).

I did own the soundtrack once, but that was at a time when I preferred the big and bombastic over the moody and textural, so I promptly sold it off. I wonder how I would have felt today.

I know this is a favourite of Howard L's, even though he's known to be a notorious "Horner-as-plagiarist Yeller".

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Definitely one of my favourite Horner scores, with a great sense of melancholy.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Ugh, thanks JJ.

There's a difference between what he does on the Field Of Dreams documentary (remember when retrospective documentaries were this comprehensive?) and the already talked about Star Trek II flub. I'm not faulting Horner for having to think a minute before playing his themes. The Trek II thing was funny to me because the music he sings is clearly from Aliens and not from Star Trek II. The Aliens music was spun out of his Trek II Khan music (which was then spun into his Trek III Klingon music), and the humor in it comes from the fact that Horner himself has claimed, by way of defending his constant recycling, that he immediately forgets the scores once he's done with them.

I feel that it's important for me to note that Horner was once my favorite composer (before I really went all-out with Goldsmith), so I'm not one of those who's hated him since the beginning. The self-lifts and obvious steals were always annoying, but his music had such heart and feeling in it that I looked past it. It's my opinion that his music from the past 10 years or so has sounded like he hasn't given a shit at all and is just going through the motions.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

Hey, I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about that. Like I said, it wasn't sarcasm. I genuinely wanted to know.

I thank you for explaining it.

Ben Sisko. Now there's a guy people like to harp on too. Doesn't matter since he was the lead of the best Trek series.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

Can't agree with you more.
Saw 'Field' five times in theatres
during it's intial run.
The first time I saw it - with
my dad sitting beside me.
He (still) has no idea how the
film struck me.
Still Horner's finest work in
my opinion - and in my top 20
scores of all time.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

It's really a shame that Phil Alden Robinson didn't work more.

Just thinking about "The Place Where Dreams Come True" makes me want to just start crying all over the keyboard.

The "Moonlight" Graham subplot is my favorite, and recently it's been reminding me of our friend Howard L. I don't know why, but I'm now forever associating Howard with movies and television shows that deal with similar themes as Field Of Dreams and the "Walking Distance" style Twilight Zone episodes.

Some of Horner's best use of synths in this score, as well. "Night Mists" is a keeper.



Yes, I often think of Howard L. when I see Wilford Brimley in "The Natural."

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

One of the best examples of Horner the Dramatist at work. The structure of the score works with enormous subtlety in building to that final reveal when Ray sees his father. Up to that point it's shrouded in mysticism, built largely on ambient synth textures and piano tinklings. But then for the final sequence Horner brings in the full orchestra for the first time, and it makes for a wonderful emotional release.

That said, as much as I love the movie, it nearly loses me every time I see James Earl Jones, an African-American actor, giving the speech about the strength baseball's stitch in the fabric of America. I mean, come on, that's hilarious.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   cushinglee   (Member)

Enjoy the film, the score and performances, particularly a graceful turn by Burt Lancaster, which no one ever mentions. Regarding James Earl Jones, who is fine, I was always confused by his character. Why would a black man of his age be all moony about how great and meaninful pro baseball was way back when ... blacks were excluded!?!

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Enjoy the film, the score and performances, particularly a graceful turn by Burt Lancaster, which no one ever mentions.

Well I mentioned it! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   cushinglee   (Member)

Sorry Mike, I didn't see your post before posting myself.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Sorry Mike, I didn't see your post before posting myself.

Just glad to know I wasn't the only one who noticed! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

Absolutely love James Earl Jones speech.
It's the heart of the movie.
I have paraphrased it many times in life...
usually substituting 'movies' or 'music' for 'baseball'.
Whatever survives when all the ephemera
has drifted away.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Fabulous film ... fabulous score. Re: director Robinson, he also made another favourite film of mine: Sneakers ... with another superb score by James Horner.

The only problem with the score to Field ... though ...

Track 3 showed up my speakers! My small Pro-Ac Response monitors couldn't take the pan-pipe sound (after I'd upgraded my hi-fi amp) and I've been forced to spend even more getting new speakers! There were other guilty tracks from other scores, too, but this was one of the first to reveal the limitations.

But I won't hold a grudge against this lovely score.smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

Enjoy the film, the score and performances, particularly a graceful turn by Burt Lancaster, which no one ever mentions. Regarding James Earl Jones, who is fine, I was always confused by his character. Why would a black man of his age be all moony about how great and meaninful pro baseball was way back when ... blacks were excluded!?!

It might help to mention that, in the novel, I believe Jones' character is actually J.D. Salinger. Salinger did not approve of using his name / likeness in the movie, and so the character was changed to the fictitious Terence Mann.

Also have to add my thumbs up for the whole "starting with synths and building to the orchestral payoff" approach Horner took with this score. It really works wonders, and "The Place That Dreams Come True" never fails to make me bawl like a baby... especially the swell on the classic "Hey dad..." quote.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Regarding James Earl Jones, who is fine, I was always confused by his character. Why would a black man of his age be all moony about how great and meaninful pro baseball was way back when ... blacks were excluded!?!

I think it works because baseball ended up being one of the first public arenas in which the "race barrier" was broken.

 
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