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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3      General Discussion: Best Concert Work by a film composer    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2 3       Last Post   Posted:   Mar 15, 2015 - 8:14 PM     By:   Smaug   (Member) I don't suppose the orchestrator issue matters very much because film composing has been moving away from the orchestra for quite some time. And even those composers who do use the orchestra, don't utilize intensely detailed in orchestration. I would say the only two major film composers who do have interesting orchestration are Williams and Goldenthal...and neither works all that much. I would say a lower detailed yet very good exists in the music of Silvestri and Horner. Shore insists on doing his own, but his orchestration is pretty literal and not very interesting. But all these guys are in their sixties or over. I hope there is another resurgence and interest in the orchestra as there was after the first Star Wars. But I'm not hopeful. I think this relates to the issue of these Symphonic film composers so they all have a little extra time on their hands to write a concert work here and there.    Posted:   Mar 15, 2015 - 8:19 PM     By:   Smaug   (Member) Also, orchestrating in film music is generally different than orchestration in classical music. In film a composer conceived as the music being orchestral whether he is writing on four lines or eight (like Williams). Examples of orchestration in classical like Ravel orchestrating Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition is a totally different thing. And there are plenty of classical composers who aren't great orchestrators: Schumann, Mussorgsky, and others. But part of doing it yourself, even if you aren't great at it, is still part of being an artist. Shostakovich reorchestrated Mussorgsky because he thought it could be done better. Mahler re-did everyone's music including Beethoven!    Posted:   Mar 24, 2015 - 9:46 PM     By:   Smaug   (Member) Hot damn that Holdridge Violin Concerto is good stuff. Sad that it's probably never performed.    Posted:   Aug 18, 2016 - 4:33 AM     By:   Smaug   (Member) In leading up to this American premiere of Horner's Double Conceeto, I was Just thinking at this moment how it's a nice little trend that very recently a bunch of film composers have dived into writing away from film: Horner: Double Concerto for Violin and Cello "Pas de Deux" Concerto for Four Horns "Collage" Flight James Newton Howard: Violin Concerto I Would Plant a Tree Elfman: Overeager Overture Rabbit & Rogue Desplat: Sinfonie Concertante for flute and orchestra "pelleas et melisande" Etudes for Piano Howard Shore: Piano Concerto Cello Concerto Guitar Concerto The Fly opera 21st Century Overture A Palace upon the Ruin Thomas Newman: "It Got Dark" for string quartet and orchestra John Powel: "Moltke" a war oratorio Jeff Beal: The Salvage Men Of course the contributions of Desplat, Williams, Randy Newman, Giacchino, et al who contributed to Gloria Cheng's Montage. I hold composers like Williams (a dozen concertos), Morricone (recently his Pope Francis Mass), Glass (a dozen concertos and 11 symphonies) or even Goldenthal to be different with a career long commitment to writing for the concert hall, not just a flirtation. What's impressive about the above list is that these are composers that are in high demand...so it was a big gesture for them to take time away. Perhaps some less busy composers also prefer to stay active even if Hollywood isn't calling at the moment. I'm always happy to see my favorite composers busy making music. With that said Williams recently premiered a number of pieces, Glass's Symphony No.11 premieres at Carnegie in January on his 80th birthday, Goldenthal is composing his Third Symphony and a Trumpet Concerto and there's the whole other sub category of Classical composers who write film scores only occasionally like Corigliano or Tan Dun. I'm still waiting for a concert piece from Silvestri or Zimmer. Giacchino wrote his "Camden Symphony" years ago. I'd love for him to have another go at writing something...    Posted:   Aug 18, 2016 - 5:40 AM     By:   MKRUltra   (Member) Glass's Symphony No.11 premieres at Carnegie in January on his 80th birthday, Goldenthal is composing his Third Symphony and a Trumpet Concerto Very excited for these, first I've heard!    Posted:   Aug 18, 2016 - 6:01 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) Elfman: Overeager Overture Rabbit & Rogue Don't forget stuff like "Serenada Schizophrana", "Piano Concerto 1 1/2" and "The Fortune Teller". But you were probably just make a selection.    Posted:   Aug 18, 2016 - 7:12 AM     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member) Elliot Goldenthal's OTHELLO is a favourite (although I'm not sure if a ballet qualifies as a concert work). It does if it's played in concert. ;-)    Posted:   Aug 18, 2016 - 6:19 PM     By:   Smaug   (Member) Elfman: Overeager Overture Rabbit & Rogue Don't forget stuff like "Serenada Schizophrana", "Piano Concerto 1 1/2" and "The Fortune Teller". But you were probably just make a selection. I was limiting it to only the last 2-3 years...    Posted:   Aug 18, 2016 - 6:20 PM     By:   Smaug   (Member) Elliot Goldenthal's OTHELLO is a favourite (although I'm not sure if a ballet qualifies as a concert work). It does if it's played in concert. ;-) I heard the ballet in Chicago a couple years ago and his music is amazing live.    Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 4:47 PM     By:   filmusicnow   (Member) Anybody hear Herrmann's "Sinfonietta For Strings"? Some of the music was later reworked in his score for "Psycho".    Posted:   Aug 24, 2016 - 5:02 PM     By:   bobbengan   (Member) Looks like I commented on this before, but I mist say, awesome topic. I hope to dive into a lot of these as I've heard only a small portion of them. I'd like to add John Scott's DEATH OF THE INDIAN NATIONS (available on iTunes as RED & WHITE) and his TRIP TO THE MOON suite, also available on iTunes. It's a 26-minute work that was inspired by George Melies' TRIP TO THE MOON and it's just such a *wonderful* work. The main themes in both this and RED & WHITE are amazing! I love a lot of Akira Ifukube's concert works, and his SYMPHONIC ODE TO BUDDHA in particular is just such a rich work full of deep, resonant music. Especially the first three minutes of the below movement - Transcendental, wonderful and evocative writing! For my money, Holdridge's 2ND VIOLIN CONCERTO is still a favorite as far as overall "concert music by a film composer" goes. The first movement might be his finest hour, ever. It's stunning!    Posted:   Aug 24, 2016 - 5:33 PM     By:   Timmer   (Member) I love the Ifukube work which I bought on the recommendation of the sadly departed FSM board member H Rocco.    Posted:   Aug 24, 2016 - 5:35 PM     By:   FredGarvin   (Member) Definitely love Goldenthal's Fire Water Paper Oratorio.....especially part II. As good as anything he, or anyone else, has done in film.     General Discussion: Best Concert Work by a film composer    << < 1 2 3  >   Go to page:  1 2 3   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3

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