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There is some evidence to suggest that Barry wrote some music that didn't appear in the final film, because there are snippets of something on some extended trailer or a promo film I've seen. (Can't remember where, I'm afraid.) These snippets definitely sound like they belong with the other RTT music, but is not something we recognize from the final cut of the film.
It has been suggested Barry may have written some specific music for this extended trailer / promo film, but that seems unlikely to me as we only hear snippets of this unrecognized piece mixed in with snippets of recognized cues. I think it's more likely that, like King Kong, there were either scored but excised extended scenes or these snippets came from some alternative cue.
Of course there's still the possibility that these snippets were nothing to do with RTT at all, but I didn't recognize them from anything else either.
So, that would be one plus of finding the complete original session recordings: finding possible unused material.
Nevertheless I reiterate my earlier point that we were served in the absence of originals by a very fine re-recording.
Cheers
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I would be great if this blu ray release did have Barry's original work though I have a sneaking suspicion it will be the suite re-recording by COP.
I think this is unlikely on two counts:
1. When someone else suggested this elsewhere, Geoff Leonard (who knows way more about these things than I do) said this is unlikely because it would complicate the rights granted to Network by ITV. Based on what he said, I'm surmising that companies granting licenses generally like you keeping the whole package limited to their licensable materials and don't like you adding ('promoting') other companies' work in the same package. That said, I'm sure it's POSSIBLE. After all, Network did include Silva Screen's IPCRESS FILE CD in Network's 3-disc package a few years back. But then again, that CD may be ITV licensed material still. Silva released it, but they did not record it.
2. Whilst there are no (complete) original music masters, maybe there are partial masters in ITV's archive; and I'm pretty sure there is a music and effects tape from which you can rescue a number of 'clean' music cues. I certainly have about 20 minutes of 'clean' RTT music that comes from SOME source. That just so ties up with the idea of creating a suite that I feel sure it must be this.
Cheers
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OK, here is a novel IDEA....
If the Barry Estate has the original scores in their archives (and will grant access), you could do an additional session to record any pieces that didn't appear in the final film.
Give that the album has sold well by most accounts, it's not a bad idea.
HOWEVER, if the Barry estate won't grant access, there you are pretty much dead in the water.
Ford A. Thaxton
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Anecdotally ... and I want to emphasize the word 'anecdotally' (i.e. could be distorted or apocryphal) ...
When Barry was preparing Moviola 2, including a Raise The Titanic suite was suggested. The way it was told to me (or I read it, can't remember which), Barry "pulled the scores and reviewed them" before deciding he didn't really want to put what he presumably considered 'a failure' onto an album that was supposed to be promoting him.
Anyway, that phrase "pulled the scores" stuck with me and certainly suggests he had them.
However, I know the Barry estate is very protective of his scores. When I had some contact with the estate in the aftermath of my "Music From The Movies" days, I remember saying I knew of serious music academics who would love to study some of Barry's manuscripts and I was told very plainly that John's manuscripts are private and will not be made accessible to anyone.
Cheers
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When you have a digital re-recording that's so faithful and complete, and the film's surviving sound quality has been called murky, I wonder about re-mixing an edition of the film that entirely replaces the OST with the City of Prague CD.
There's probably a music and effects track to aid in foreign dubbing, and a separate dialogue track, which means you'd just have to re-create some sound effects to entirely replace the music. Then you'd have an edition of the film with CD-quality sound.
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When you have a digital re-recording that's so faithful and complete, and the film's surviving sound quality has been called murky, I wonder about re-mixing an edition of the film that entirely replaces the OST with the City of Prague CD.
There's probably a music and effects track to aid in foreign dubbing, and a separate dialogue track, which means you'd just have to re-create some sound effects to entirely replace the music. Then you'd have an edition of the film with CD-quality sound.
Really?
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ZapBrannigan wrote:
When you have a digital re-recording that's so faithful and complete, and the film's surviving sound quality has been called murky, I wonder about re-mixing an edition of the film that entirely replaces the OST with the City of Prague CD.
There's probably a music and effects track to aid in foreign dubbing, and a separate dialogue track, which means you'd just have to re-create some sound effects to entirely replace the music. Then you'd have an edition of the film with CD-quality sound.
I think of two words: "legal" and "nightmare".
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This was done once with the Yuri Temirkanov recording of Sergei Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky. A restored print of the film played in sync with the film. The sonic discrepancy between the dialogue and the music was pretty noticeable, but since many long sequences play out with only music, on the whole it worked well.
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There wouldn't be a legal problem. The studio releasing the movie would just have to get rights to the CD music.
STAR TREK TOS was released on DVD with some Royal Philharmonic re-recording cues substituted for the original soundtrack in spots.
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ZapBrannigan wrote:
There wouldn't be a legal problem. The studio releasing the movie would just have to get rights to the CD music.
STAR TREK TOS was released on DVD with some Royal Philharmonic re-recording cues substituted for the original soundtrack in spots.
But JamesFitz previously wrote:
But as you say it would be a legal nightmare ...
Now, I go along with JamesFitz on this for two reasons.
1) He's in the biz, and ought to know what he's talking about.
2) Just think of the contracts (that is, agreements) that might have been made for the movie. Contracts with the musicians unions, that might include clauses barring attaching a re-recorded score to the film. (After all, there's no residuals to pay if their performance isn't used). Contracts with the conductor (in the case, also the composer), that might also bar someone else's performance, for similar reasons. Think about the contracts made for the re-recording of the score, which might well bar any other use of the performance.
Star Trek is not a valid comparison, as it was standard practice on that show to re-use music in different contexts; musicians and composers must have had contracts that reflected this practice. The Royal Philharmonic performances were probably governed by contracts that were similarly permissive. Or, CBS studios were simply willing to fork over the big bucks; a full release of Star Trek on DVD is much bigger that the re-release of an obscure, British, adventure film from the 1970s.
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available in 45rpm. 
