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 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The Disney "live action" project has been very hit and miss, mostly miss. I quite like CINDERELLA and bits and pieces of BEAUTY AND THE BEAST. And 101 DALMATIANS, if you go all the way back to the 90s (but not really part of this project), but the rest has been bad. Doesn't bode well for THE LION KING, but hopefully it's the one to buck the trend.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I wasn't a great fan of Beauty and the Beast, but I thought Kenneth Branagh did a fabulous job with CINDERELLA. (And he had the wisdom to stick with his go-to composer, Patrick Doyle.)

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Exactly. Although it is by no means a great movie, CINDERELLA is the best of the new live action adaptations so far.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

To be honest I don't care about the movie, just the soundtrack. Does anyone know if there are any store exclusives for the soundtrack?

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   steffromuk   (Member)

Exactly. Although it is by no means a great movie, CINDERELLA is the best of the new live action adaptations so far.

The least terrible, you mean?

Sorry for trolling, but all the Disney live action adaptations are at best mediocre

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Exactly. Although it is by no means a great movie, CINDERELLA is the best of the new live action adaptations so far.

Yeah, no contest. I didn't think it was great or anything, but "least terrible" for sure...with Jungle Book probably being the next least terrible. And both had the advantage of being a remake of a sometimes charming but overall not-so-great Disney classic. Remaking Aladdin or The Lion King just seems unwise.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The least terrible, you mean?

Yes. I see I placed it at 126th place in 2015, out of 147. But that's still higher than the others. ALADDIN is, by far, the worst of them.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Any love for Malificent? Thought it had its moments.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Any love for Malificent? Thought it had its moments.

The score is great -- one of JNH's very best in the last two decades.

But the film was exceptionally bad. I believe the director is a special effects wizard, and it shows. The story and characters get completely swallowed by CGI mayhem.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I really enjoyed the Jungle Book live action/CGI version. And the score is the best of all the live action remakes by far, with Cindarella coming close. Based on the comments, I'm not getting overly excited for Aladdin.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

And the score is the best of all the live action remakes by far

Really? Even better than the Menkens (wrongfully revamped as they may be)? I think those are in a class of their own -- even if I dislike the new song arrangements -- followed by ALICE IN WONDERLAND (if that counts), MALEFICENT and CINDERELLA in that order. I did not care for THE JUNGLE BOOK at all, neither film nor score, nor ALICE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS and DUMBO. I'm leaving out the DALMATIANS scores here (they're obviously excellent too).

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The live action Jungle Book is far and away the best film and score of all these reboots. I find the others unwatchable with forgettable if not bad scores. The Jungle Book would be on my list of top ten favorite scores from the last decade.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I saw the film yesterday -- amazingly horrible! I mean, it's actually impressive, the way they completely violated everything that was good about the animated film (which is a personal favourite of mine). Kinda expected, though -- given the people involved. No idea why anyone thought it was a good idea to have Will Smith star in a Guy Ritchie-directed live action version of ALADDIN. If the film doesn't get any Razzies this year, I'll be surprised!

The only good thing about it was the Menken score, but that is obviously not original to the film -- even if they had done their best to 'update' his compositions with more contemporary elements here and there. But still; the memory of his brilliant songs and score -- buried somewhere in there -- stood out like a beaming light in a sea of crap.

Second worst movie of the year so far, only surpassed by LEAVING NEVERLAND. Don't watch this! Stick with the animated film, and the masterpiece original score album instead.


Isn't NEVERLAND a documentary about Michael Jackson that was shown on cable TV?

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 10:01 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The live action Jungle Book is far and away the best film and score of all these reboots. I find the others unwatchable with forgettable if not bad scores. The Jungle Book would be on my list of top ten favorite scores from the last decade.


Are you referring to the Poledouris scored version.with Jason.Lee?
I agree with your assessment!

The more recent live action/cg version is even better ( not musically).
Brm

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 10:21 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The live action Jungle Book is far and away the best film and score of all these reboots. I find the others unwatchable with forgettable if not bad scores. The Jungle Book would be on my list of top ten favorite scores from the last decade.


Are you referring to the Poledouris scored version.with Jason.Lee?
I agree with your assessment!

The more recent live action/cg version is even better ( not musically).
Brm


I'm speaking of the 2016 (?) film. Edit: yes the Jon Favreau film.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2019 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The live action Jungle Book is far and away the best film and score of all these reboots. I find the others unwatchable with forgettable if not bad scores. The Jungle Book would be on my list of top ten favorite scores from the last decade.


Are you referring to the Poledouris scored version.with Jason.Lee?
I agree with your assessment!

The more recent live action/cg version is even better ( not musically).
Brm


I'm speaking of the 2016 (?) film. Edit: yes the Jon Favreau film.


The other one is also quite.good and has a great score by Basil!

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2019 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Tomorrow's the big day, I've been waiting months for this cd!

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2019 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Gave this a listen on Spotify. Alan Menken uses his “Arabian Nights” theme from the animated film quite often which is very nice. However as usual the action music is the typical generic percussion/syth variety. I don’t know why Hollywood hates action music so much!

The songs are actually very similar to the animated versions. I mean its almost hard to tell the difference. There's a few new songs written for the film and they are not only awful but don’t even match the style of the other songs. (Speaking of the ones song by Ms Scott)

If it had decent action music it would’ve been a solid score. But I guess if you want to hear something almost as good as the animated score you can just listen to the animated score, right?

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2019 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I'm now getting Menken's musicals. LITTLE SHOP, LEAP OF FAITH I really enjoy his music.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2019 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

Contrary to Solium's comments, I was surprised at how different the arrangements were - much more pop/urban with additional percussion and more "produced" sounding than the original's more typical orchestral musical theatre arrangements. I'm guessing it was a mixture of the impact of Pasek & Paul who wrote additional lyrics and were responsible for The Greatest Showman (of which I am not a fan), the director and having Will Smith as the Genie. Not sure that Will Smith is a great singer (I know he was a rapper but I assumed he could sing...) but the other performers acquit themselves fairly well. I thought I could detect some autotune but nothing compared to the deadening impact it had on certain bits of Beauty and the Beast's live action songs.

I think some of the harmonies have been changed too, they feel a bit ironed out (somewhat in the manner of John Ottman's eschewing of the of the juicy 7th chords in Williams' Superman Love Theme in Superman Returns which renders the whole thing weirdly flat). It's certainly more different to the original than BATB is to the original animated film.

There is only one additional song, Speechless, which is incredibly disappointing for new Menken. As Solium noted, it doesn't really jive with the rest of the songs or score and doesn't have much to recommend on its own terms. There are some lyric changes elsewhere which vary from fairly inconsequential to a bit awful (one change in One Jump Ahead has one changed lyric with connotations that I'm not sure the writers intended at all...). One Jump also misses the terrific chase music section towards the end - such a shame, that's one of my favourite bits of the song as it's so beautifully woven into the structure.

The score is variably enjoyable but the marvellously intricate action of the original animated feature is definitely replaced with considerably more modern action scoring. But it's Menken so it's still pretty tuneful and doesn't veer too far off course. One very noticeable feature is how much more Arabic it sounds (well, in a Hollywood kinda way... but you know what I mean). Sure the original had some great little moments, but actually much of the score for the original movie didn't really suggest the location much at all. There's considerably more in the way of more or less regionally appropriate sounding percussion and melodic lines.

Not sure it'll surplant the original or even the cast recording for the stage show, which is terrific fun and contains great versions of several of the unused songs from the original movie (notably Proud of Your Boy, Babkak, Omar, Aladdin, Kassim and High Adventure). I'm still gutted that Why Me? never made it into any version. It's like Jafar singing a Bond song... seriously, it's brilliant.

 
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