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 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

But if you look at the number of CDs sold these days, it is perfectly normal that sooner or later more of even the few remaining manufacturing plants will close. There is just less and less demand.

CD sales over time:

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

It's sad but I still hope the CD fever will come back soon just like the LP fever has come back recently. For me CD is still the best format.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I wonder how CD sales look by genre - soundtrack sales might be different.
If the last "major" American CD factory closed, are there smaller factories the labels can use, but will this drive the price up? Or will labels go international? If they decide on cd-r instead, they might as well offer downloads.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

It's sad but I still hope the CD fever will come back soon just like the LP fever has come back recently. For me CD is still the best format.

I think this is highly unlikely. There are specific reasons why vinyl has had a resurgence, but they are just not applicable for compact discs.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

If the last "major" American CD factory closed, are there smaller factories the labels can use, but will this drive the price up? Or will labels go international? If they decide on cd-r instead, they might as well offer downloads.

Well, quite. It'd be a larf for us Europeans if they switched to a pressing plant in (say) Germany, and suddenly we weren't walloped by those outside-EU customs charges any more, and got our deliveries quicker than our Stateside brethren...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I was thinking Mexico, where I've heard blu-ray factories are located.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Now MovieMusic has delayed the shipping date to April 26th, but it'll most likely be around the 20th of May as well. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I wonder how much of a $ hit Varese have taken on this last Townson CD Club batch?
Their last statement sounds like they've now pretty much given away 'for free' a helluva lot of copies of RAGGEDY MAN & ROBOCOP 2. That's on top of all the postage shenanigans.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

I wonder how much of a $ hit Varese have taken on this last Townson CD Club batch?
Their last statement sounds like they've now pretty much given away 'for free' a helluva lot of copies of RAGGEDY MAN & ROBOCOP 2. That's on top of all the postage shenanigans.


They probably did lose money, but it is their fault. Not the customers. I'd rather have got what I paid for. I have not even opened Raggedy Man.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   w-dervish   (Member)

Their last statement sounds like they've now pretty much given away 'for free' a helluva lot of copies of RAGGEDY MAN & ROBOCOP 2.

Why would they be giving CDs away for free? I think I read earlier in the tread that someone overseas got the incorrect CD and were told to keep it. Did I miss others saying the same thing happened to them?

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

@ Mr. Nicolai P. Zwar: that graph pretty much says it all. Soundtrack collectors, at least those who value physical formats, are a dying breed. The writing is on the wall.

I am constantly reminded of this whenever I brandish a CD before friends or colleagues. The reaction is always the same, a polite if slightly confused smile.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Well it seems like there are still some options in the USA. I know Intrada uses Discmakers on occasion.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   BryonDavis   (Member)

I was thinking Mexico, where I've heard blu-ray factories are located. Technicolor has the discs made in Mexico and brought back to the USA for assembly.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

With all the specialty labels still around making CD's and the no bout still existent niche CD market online for other types of music, I would think some people could make some money opening one factory just to cater to the demand. Maybe a joint-venture between the labels, studios, and some financial backers. Just thinking aloud.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Mathew   (Member)

"...the closure of the last major CD manufacturing plant in the United States,"

So many bad news this year: Sony's withdrawal from licensing, Disney's acquisition of Fox, Robert Townson leaving Varese and now this...



I hope our labels find a way to deal with the situation (since downloads are usually not an option and CDR's are not prefered by most collectors)...

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I was surprised to read about this issue with Varese given Intrada and La La Land haven't yet announced issues with being able to release CDs. I assume that the plants they use are not "major." Seems a little strange, but I guess Varese was ordering more CDs than others.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I wonder how much of a $ hit Varese have taken on this last Townson CD Club batch?
Their last statement sounds like they've now pretty much given away 'for free' a helluva lot of copies of RAGGEDY MAN & ROBOCOP 2. That's on top of all the postage shenanigans.


They probably did lose money, but it is their fault. Not the customers. I'd rather have got what I paid for. I have not even opened Raggedy Man.


May well be it's "their fault", but for business undertakings the question is not whose fault it was but how much influx capital a release might produce, and the less it is, the less likely is another one. A negative number ain't exactly confidence inducing.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2019 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

Bumping the thread, and wondering how long it will take for some of us to get our hands on Raggedy Man. A month? Two months? A year? Never?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2019 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   BryonDavis   (Member)

With all the specialty labels still around making CD's and the no bout still existent niche CD market online for other types of music, I would think some people could make some money opening one factory just to cater to the demand. Maybe a joint-venture between the labels, studios, and some financial backers. Just thinking aloud.

Sadly, nobody wants to invest in a manufacturing facility. We always joked about starting a vinyl plant when there were only a few around the world but I know folks who run CD plants and I know folks who run vinyl plants. It's a cash intensive business that relies on volume to make a profit. CDA went out of business because years ago they kept buying competitors to get bigger which meant piling up bank debt...bigger, as we all can agree, isn't always better or more profitable. They made everything...blu-rays, DVD, SACD, CDs. I tried to get open with them a year ago only to be told I had to be doing volume in excess of $100K a year to open an account. They were doomed by debt.

Rainbo is picking up the slack as is a bunch of regional CD makers. As long as they keep getting small label business (and Rainbo gets major label business as well) then things will even out even if it means longer manufacturing completion times.

If the business was something labels wanted to partner up in, WEA, Sony, Universal and others would never have divested from their own plants over the years. Even distribution has changed. Big companies like Universal contract out their physical distribution operations (warehousing, storage, distribution, manufacturing) to third parties.

Looking at the numbers, the CD is doing okay as a niche business. As long as people support the small labels wherever possible many of us will survive and do what we do, try to offer cool and interesting projects to fans.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2019 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Varese hasn't even had the courtesy to acknowledge my last two e-mails asking where my package is. God DAMN them.

 
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