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 Posted:   Sep 23, 2020 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Yeah, I never really think of DEAD ZONE as an out and out horror film.

I wasn't calling "The Dead Zone" a horror film. I was saying that "Creepy and moody without being a gore fest" was a classic definition of horror films for many decades. Not anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2020 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Okay, some more minor tweakage in the score in film order department.
The track Rally-Meet Your Candidate is the one where Johnny narrates his last letter to Sarah, on the bus, hoping to explain why he's about to do what he does.
So it comes just before the Balcony cue near the end.
Also, the title track, which I placed near the end too, thinking it was from the sequence were Johnny sees Greg Stillson commence World War 3, might be from a similar scored sequence earlier in the film, when Johnny sees the deputy murder Alma (but I'm not 100% sure).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2020 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I wasn't calling "The Dead Zone" a horror film. I was saying that "Creepy and moody without being a gore fest" was a classic definition of horror films for many decades. Not anymore.

That depends on where you look, I suppose. There are many arthouse horror films still being made; or that rely on atmosphere without a bunch of stingers. The Ari Aster movies, for example (HEREDITARY, MIDSOMMAR), although they don't do much for me. Robert Eggers too (THE VVITCH, THE LIGHTHOUSE). Other examples are IT FOLLOWS, RELIC, THE HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT, UNDER THE SHADOW, THE LODGERS, SUSPIRIA, THELMA, THE AUTOPSY OF JANE DOE, UNDER THE SKIN etc. etc.

So the tradition of ROSEMARY'S BABY, THE EXORCIST, REPULSION, THE WICKER MAN, THE BIRDS, THE SHINING, THE HAUNTING and other old, moody horrors is still alive and well. You just need to look outside the mainstream.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2020 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I wasn't calling "The Dead Zone" a horror film. I was saying that "Creepy and moody without being a gore fest" was a classic definition of horror films for many decades. Not anymore.

That depends on where you look, I suppose. There are many arthouse horror films still being made; or that rely on atmosphere without a bunch of stingers. The Ari Aster movies, for example (HEREDITARY, MIDSOMMAR), although they don't do much for me. Robert Eggers too (THE VVITCH, THE LIGHTHOUSE). Other examples are IT FOLLOWS, RELIC, THE HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT, UNDER THE SHADOW, THE LODGERS, SUSPIRIA, THELMA, THE AUTOPSY OF JANE DOE, UNDER THE SKIN etc. etc.

So the tradition of ROSEMARY'S BABY, THE EXORCIST, REPULSION, THE WICKER MAN, THE BIRDS, THE SHINING, THE HAUNTING and other old, moody horrors is still alive and well. You just need to look outside the mainstream.


Yeah, I know all that stuff. I am talking about how conversationally the definition of a "horror" film has changed, at least in the US. If you say "horror" film now to a generalist audience, in the US at least, most will assume you are talking about a slasher film. That is why long ago I stopped using the word "horror" to describe old-stool horror, and instead use "gothic/supernatural/macabre," although that takes more syllables. The meaning of "horror" as a genre descriptor has shifted, whether we like it or not.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2020 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

THE DEAD ZONE is hands down my favorite score by Michael Kamen. Has ever been since the 1980s. For me, it is the most moving score Michael Kamen ever wrote.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2020 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Here in the good old UK, The Dead Zone got caught up in that ‘video nasty’ panic and when released on the home market had the ‘scissor’ scene cut out ( in a clunky edit!) as they obviously thought seeing things like that would mentally scar us. Still quite a powerful scene its so mild now compared to what’s on normal TV.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

I would love the extra music heard as we first see the hospital. Gorgeous rendition of the theme here. I’ve also created a clean version of the main/end title by using the DVD. You can extract say the first 10/15 seconds or so from that DVD and then edit in over the CD track. Eliminating the awful synth sound f/x. Sounds perfect now. And yes create a dialled out coda for the main title and use the full version for the end title as per the film

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Hey Jason, have you re-sequenced the Milan album tracks into film order?
Care to fix or amend mine?
And do you know how much is missing from the album, as regards to the score in film?
Cheers.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Hey Jason, have you re-sequenced the Milan album tracks into film order?
Care to fix or amend mine?
And do you know how much is missing from the album, as regards to the score in film?
Cheers.


I haven’t done any re-order of tracks, sorry. I only remember the missing initial view of the hospital after the crash. I need to watch the film again. Been a while.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hey Jason, have you re-sequenced the Milan album tracks into film order?
Care to fix or amend mine?
And do you know how much is missing from the album, as regards to the score in film?
Cheers.


Hey, hey, hey.....you're one of the 'whittling' guys now. Stay focussed!

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

A good companion to The Dead Zone is the thriller Suspect from 1987. Recently re-released by Varese, still available.


And Venom which has never been released as far as I know.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2020 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

The Dead Zone is my favorite King adaptation and my favorite Cronenberg film and my favorite Kamen score - and glad someone mentioned the Sibelius. Listen to the Sibelius seventh symphony and I think you'll find that John Williams was an obvious fan smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2020 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

"...Suspect from 1987..."
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This is interesting.
I played this CD again this week, in the wake of The Dead Zone revival in our house, and although it's basically Dead Zone again, without the Sibelius theme, it never really makes any impact on me the way Dead Zone does.
It's a classic example of how ones connection to the music, via the film, really makes a massive difference to the whole listening experience.
I never cared for, or about the film Suspect, so the low-key, sombre, noodling suspense music leaves me cold, while the similar approach used in the film Dead Zone by Kamen really connects with me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Death Incarnate   (Member)

One of my all time favorite movies. One of Kamen's best, one of Cronenberg's best, and easily Walken's best lead role ever. He was born for this.

STILL no North American Blu-ray of any kind. -sigh- frown

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

“The ICE is gonna BREAK!”

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

One of my all time favorite movies. One of Kamen's best, one of Cronenberg's best, and easily Walken's best lead role ever. He was born for this.

STILL no North American Blu-ray of any kind. -sigh- frown


I think it’s just been released on Blu-Ray in a set with 4 other Stephen King adaptions. Reports are solid enough pic and sound but nothing stellar and no extras.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

"...Suspect from 1987..."
------------------
This is interesting.
I played this CD again this week, in the wake of The Dead Zone revival in our house, and although it's basically Dead Zone again, without the Sibelius theme, it never really makes any impact on me the way Dead Zone does.
It's a classic example of how ones connection to the music, via the film, really makes a massive difference to the whole listening experience.
I never cared for, or about the film Suspect, so the low-key, sombre, noodling suspense music leaves me cold, while the similar approach used in the film Dead Zone by Kamen really connects with me.


I know what you mean. Suspect doesn’t seem to have the same tightness of structure DZ has and it seems much more meandering and mostly just ‘suspense’ based music. But...there’s still something about it I always go back to and that one always got more plays from me than much more prominent titles like Last Boy Scout or Die Hard 2.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

The upcoming Shout Factory Blu-ray will apparently have a commentary with isolated score

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

The upcoming Shout Factory Blu-ray will apparently have a commentary with isolated score

Sure would be nice if it included the film version of "Snow Days"

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Back in the late 80's, I read a double review in Soundtrack magazine (I'm pretty certain it was Soundtrack) that both reviewed and compared the approaches taken by Micheal Kamen ("The Dead Zone") and "Flowers in the Attic" (Christopher Young). The reviewer went on to praise "Flowers" as the "right" way to score a suspense film as opposed to Kamen's score.

While I was (on the verge, not having yet purchased "Flowers" then) of agreeing with the reviewer with respect to "Flowers in the Attic", I think the reviewer was just plain wrong in his assessment of "The Dead Zone" score. In fact, I don't believe the two films, much less the two scores can be compared (apples and oranges, really) in any meaningful way.

Still, I'd like to read the review again, if available. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 
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