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Most of the current production is reissues or expanded releases. Always the same stuff, especially focusing on the 80ies or 90ies.
Premiere have become rare and rarest, whatever the label is behind. Especially regarding the 1965»1980 Silver Age era.
It used to be another way 20 years ago.
20 years ago, there was a lot more music to premiere, by composers like Jerry Goldsmith, Jerry Fielding, Elmer Bernstein, John Williams, etc..
Where are the CD releases for Dave Grusin, Gil Melle, Fred Karlin, Billy Goldenberg, John Cacavas, Morton Stevens, George Garvarentz, Dominic Frontiere, Oliver Nelson, Don Costa, ...that's what I am expecting for, not a teenage STAR WARS spinoff score like THE LAST STARFIGHTER again. I have it once expanded, that's enough.
Maybe that's what you are expecting, but I'm unsure how well an Oliver Nelson score would sell, considering that even new Ennio Morricone releases are now often at only 500 CDs.
Some of those composers (Dave Grusin certainly not, but he's easily as known for his jazz music than he is for his film scores) you named are very niche, not sure how much they would have sold 20 years ago, but most likely they would sell even less nowadays. Keep in mind that overall CD sales are down 98% or so from 20 years ago.
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May 4, 2022 - 12:26 PM
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jedizim
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Where are the CD releases for Dave Grusin, Gil Melle, Fred Karlin, Billy Goldenberg, John Cacavas, Morton Stevens, George Garvarentz, Dominic Frontiere, Oliver Nelson, Don Costa, ...that's what I am expecting for, not a teenage STAR WARS spinoff score like THE LAST STARFIGHTER again. I have it once expanded, that's enough.
Easy answer...The Last Starfighter will outsell ALL of those other things you mentioned put together. It IS a business...they have to make money. Redoing this and making money on it allows them to do one or two of the others that won't sell nearly as much. It is Economics 101.
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Yes, to sum it up in another way: labels are in a business trying to make money to fund more releases and also make a profit for themselves personally, not sitting around scheming about titles to re-issue and not premiere releases just to piss people off. In order for this to be a thing, all the major limited-edition labels would have to be in on it. And older television scores are even more expensive, time consuming. and harder to get out.
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And older television scores are even more expensive, time consuming. and harder to get out.
Plus a lot harder to sell, as TV shows have less shelf life than movies. I mean, lots of folks love Rozsa scores for 40s and 50s, but how many would buy 60s or 70s TV music that isn't STAR TREK or TWILIGHT ZONE? Heck, I love Columbo and have probably seen every episode, but even I don't have more than a casual interest in any of the scores of the series.
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I will buy this again. One of my all time favourites. Regularly played. Phenomenal score and stunning recording.
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Nevertheless, Lalaland did a great job with their Silver Age TV series scores box sets....but they mainly focused on the 60ies. So it remains possible to release such stuff anyway.
I'm pretty sure MV made a post this past year saying that the 60s are actually the sweet spot for TV music, and 70s/80s-onwards the sweet spot for film music. Of course, it's still a ton of work to release music from a TV series...much more than for a film.
The 70ies TV stuff is very poorly represented so far...and I just don't understand why.
Notable exception are the incredible FSM TV OMNIBUS box set, a dream come true....
That was great! It was from the Rhino connection Lukas made to the historical MGM recordings... a source which seems to have largely dried up in terms of access, with only the occasional thing coming through (but thankfully Intrada did follow up with a 2 CD set of more music from Then Came Bronson.)
And also Lalaland QUINN MARTIN'S CD sets....unfortunately without following to now.
These were said from the beginning to be only three volumes. In the past several months someone (probably MV) revealed that those three volumes actually sold so well that they are working on a fourth volume! So...cause for rejoicing.
The total absence of COLUMBO music release for instance is completely odd, to say the least.
This TV series is worldwide well known, all over the planet!
Don't tell me that there is no market for it...
Maybe it's a matter of clearance, licensing, finding tapes I don't know.
Among all of the TV music releases from all our beloved labels, how many of them were licensed from (and got elements from) Universal (owner of Columbo)? Very few, I think... MV has indicated they hope to do Universal TV stuff eventually but that it's much more difficult than film stuff.
Yavar
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May 4, 2022 - 1:18 PM
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The total absence of COLUMBO music release for instance is completely odd, to say the least.
This TV series is worldwide well known, all over the planet!
Don't tell me that there is no market for it...
Maybe it's a matter of clearance, licensing, finding tapes I don't know.
Seriously, no disrespect intended, but why is this "completely odd"?
Yes, the show was very popular, many years ago. This has proved over and over to not be any indicator of people's interest in the music. It seems that more episodes were scored by Dick DeBenedictis and Bernardo Segall than any others, not exactly names that come up a lot around here (though for all I know, they're brilliant composers). Even Patrick Williams, Gil Mellé, and Billy Goldenberg are relatively obscure.
I watched quite a few episodes, and I'll admit I can't place the music.
Now, for all I know, some label has been working on this for years and will be announcing it tomorrow. And if so, great! I'll absolutely have a look at it. But I seriously don't know how anybody can be surprised by anything not being released, much less a release like this, which seems like it would be a niche of a niche of a niche.
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The total absence of COLUMBO music release for instance is completely odd, to say the least.
This TV series is worldwide well known, all over the planet!
Don't tell me that there is no market for it...
Maybe it's a matter of clearance, licensing, finding tapes I don't know.
Seriously, no disrespect intended, but why is this "completely odd"?
Yes, the show was very popular, many years ago. This has proved over and over to not be any indicator of people's interest in the music. It seems that more episodes were scored by Dick DeBenedictis and Bernardo Segall than any others, not exactly names that come up a lot around here (though for all I know, they're brilliant composers). Even Patrick Williams, Gil Mellé, and Billy Goldenberg are relatively obscure.
I watched quite a few episodes, and I'll admit I can't place the music.
That's exactly it. I love COLUMBO (which I just used as an example), it's a great show, I know every episode, watched them all some time in the late 80s/early to mid 90s. And yes, there was some good music in some of these episodes, but hardly anything that stood out like a Brahms symphony. And I'm even among the crowd who knows all the composers you just named there, but I still would see little reason to buy a Columbo soundtrack release? (I mean, there is such an avalanche of music out there and available, from Bach to Bruckner to Beethoven to Boulez to Bernstein to Beltrami to whatever (and I was just listing a few random "B"s), it would take some convincing for me to buy a COLUMBO soundtrack. That's not to say there wasn't some good music in COLUMBO - there certainly was - but I just cannot remember anything outstanding or great to warrant a soundtrack release.
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So I am glad for those who missed it allright but I am sorry for what we could have gotten else instead, that's the issue.
I could have written this statement 10 times before over the last few years with other unneccesary reissues but it was just too much now with this THE LAST STARFIGHTER announcement.
Can't be said enough, apparently: it's a fallacy to think that because this is being released, something else new or different is not. We don't have any idea what else Intrada is working on beyond the composers Roger has mentioned in the queue this year. Nor do we know the factors that prevent release of this or that.
This is getting released because there is a market for it. If you're not part of that market, fine. But just because something is unnecessary to you doesn't make it unnecessary to others.
Reissues are common in all genres of music, for similar reasons. What another reissue tells us is that there is a demand for it. Or it wouldn't be reissued.
Plus, I now realize that I haven't listened to the expansion as much as the first release because I wasn't satisfied with the sound. It's one of my favorite 80's scores, so I'm very likely going to pick this up - thanks, Intrada!
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