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 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

This makes me feel the following now:

By the way, it's a pitty... that there is so little room and interest for other stuff than 80ies/90ies SCI-FI/FANTASY/HORROR/SUPERHERO post STAR WARS stuff.

I don't understand why the seventies solid, serious, gritty, intelligent, paranoiac stuff has no more appeal to this community, both movies and film music. At least among people of my generation (born in the 60ies)...

Where are my peers?

I am fed up with this teenage manichean fantasy world we have to endure since the 80ies.
STAR WARS /INDIANA JONES / BACK TO THE FUTURE ruined it all, both for movie and film music.
I so wish it never happened in a way.

Oups, I am gonna once again getting flamed around here!


 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

This makes me feel the following now:

By the way, it's a pitty... that there is so little room and interest for other stuff than 80ies/90ies SCI-FI/FANTASY/HORROR/SUPERHERO post STAR WARS stuff.

I don't understand why the seventies solid, serious, gritty, intelligent, paranoiac stuff has no more appeal to this community, both movies and film music. At least among people of my generation (born in the 60ies)...

Where are my peers?

I am fed up with this teenage manichean fantasy world we have to endure since the 80ies.
STAR WARS /INDIANA JONES / BACK TO THE FUTURE ruined it all, both for movie and film music.
I so wish it never happened in a way.

Oups, I am gonna once again getting flamed around here!


You are not getting flamed for championing " seventies solid, serious, gritty, intelligent, paranoiac stuff", it's perfectly ok to like this or not like that. But you came here, in a thread about THE LAST STARFIGHTER, flaming, calling it "unnecessary and greedy" even though that release is out of print, and obviously some people would still like to buy it or re-buy it. That's the same as going into a FRENCH CONNECTION thread and lamenting that it's a dissonant old jazz score, you're tired of old 70s crime score, what is needed much more is a re-re-issue of BACK TO THE FUTURE. It is you who came in flaming.

Some people like 80s action and science fiction, some people twelve tone scores by Leonard Rosenman, some people 70s crime movies... that's all okay. But I think it is really lame to complain about any release merely because it is something that you don't have any interest in. Lots and lots of film scores are (re-)released that I'm not interested in, yet I see no need to complain about it. I'm happy for those who want them.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

This is the correct word for the good against evil trip in all super-heroes and fantasy stories...which got so much film adaptations since STAR WARS, SUPERMAN, SPIDERMAN, BATMAN and now the MCU franchises we are drowned in.



I did look it up.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

This thread has seriously gone off the rails. We've even got someone using subtle and Oliver Stone in the same sentence.


I was going to say the same thing!

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I certainly do care of THE LAST STARFIGHTER Craig Safan's score. It is a great one for sure.

That's why I bought the 2015 expanded Intrada edition without reservation.

But it is not so pleasant to learn only 7 years after, that actually, the multitrack masters used for the 2015 release were actually weaker than the 1/4 tracks master so now that master is resurrected for the 2022 release, ruining in sound quality the 2015 edition.


7 years can actually be quite a long time in soundtrack collecting years, especially if you are young. I remember what a prized collectible item the soundtrack release for THE OMEN was in 1983. It was almost impossible to find a copy, I finally got an original vinyl (a promo at that) in 1985. 1990, I was not even buying LPs anymore, but CDs, and was very happy when Varèse Sarabande eventually released it on that format.

Not everyone has been around as long as we and has already got all this stuff.



I am certainly glad that the title is back in print for those who missed it but it's annoying to learn that so much stuff like this you bought only a few years ago becomes so quickly obsolete so you have to rebuy again if you want to have it in the best condition.

Where the hell do you all find the money to rebuy everything twice or three times?

That is the main issue I wanted to debate.

I would prefer some new stuff instead of revisiting again and again the same stuff.

As I said, I launched the discussion here about THE LAST STARFIGHTER by chance but it could have applied to dozens of other re-re-releases.


Actually, I don't rebuy everything twice or three times, most of the time, I don't. I just don't feel compelled to buy a score I already have just because it gets another (updated or not) release. It's just not worth it to spend 40 to 50 dollars on yet another remaster or another disocvered 30 second cue. There are a few releases over the years that I've bought multiple times, sure, but I don't consider a release "obsolete" just because another comes along. I'm quite happy with the previous edition of THE LAST STARFIGHTER and am not inclined to yet re-buy it again. So it's not "obsolete" to me.


 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't understand why the seventies solid, serious, gritty, intelligent, paranoiac stuff has no more appeal to this community, both movies and film music. At least among people of my generation (born in the 60ies)...

I am fed up with this teenage manichean fantasy world we have to endure since the 80ies.
STAR WARS /INDIANA JONES / BACK TO THE FUTURE ruined it all, both for movie and film music.
I so wish it never happened in a way.


That's like saying classical music isn't serious, mature or complex. I really can't stand the dull droning music of the 60's and early 70's with a few exceptions.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

"The Last Starfighter" is a magnificent accomplishment by Craig Safan.

Anyone satisfied with the pressing they own is NOT OBLIGATED TO BUY THIS REISSUE.

I trust Doug Fake's "ear" for quality over anyone else's. If he found a better mix and wants to improve the reissue he authorizes and pays for, that is GREAT.

What I don't get is WHAT THE HELL BUSINESS IT IS OF ANYONE ELSE?

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Anyone satisfied with the pressing they own is NOT OBLIGATED TO BUY THIS REISSUE.


Wait. Is that really a thing? But the guy on the corner told me that I HAD to buy the new Star Trek. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Oh yeah, and a big thanks to Roger and Doug and the folks who helped make this new re-issue possible. Thanks for your continued efforts.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Thanks raferjanders for the cool custom art!

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Double Post

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

"The Last Starfighter" is a magnificent accomplishment by Craig Safan.

Anyone satisfied with the pressing they own is NOT OBLIGATED TO BUY THIS REISSUE.

I trust Doug Fake's "ear" for quality over anyone else's. If he found a better mix and wants to improve the reissue he authorizes and pays for, that is GREAT.

What I don't get is WHAT THE HELL BUSINESS IT IS OF ANYONE ELSE?


Aaaaaaaaaaaaand that closes the book on this entire thread.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Thierry, I don't doubt your sincerity and passion on this matter (how could I?), but aren't you basically saying "For anybody new to this score, tough luck – you have to have it in the less-than-ideal sound I've been living with!"?

Imagine if all your CDs get obsolete every 7 (or less) years...? How many times do we «need» to rebuy the same thing to get one's collection updated.

But in general, they don't, do they? This nightmare scenario you're positing is extrapolating from a very rare event.

You are of course free to express your thoughts. As you have. I am also a historical customer of Intrada since 1985, just like you, and yet I admire what they're doing. To me, they're going the extra mile.

I guess we just see it differently.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

This nightmare scenario you're positing is extrapolating from a very rare event.

It wouldn’t seem so if you were a fan of this composer’s most popular works. He has two which get more interest than the rest combined, The Last Starfighter and Remo Williams.

Remo came out as a composer promo around 1995. Then an official release from Perseverance in 2006 from the 1/4” masters. Then in 2011 we were told by Intrada the channels were reversed in the earlier version but it’s all fixed now in their re-release. Then in 2020 we were told by Note For Note we now have it from the superior analog master tapes, just in time for that 35th anniversary bash (as proudly celebrated on the artwork). You know, the type of masters Intrada have now declared to be inferior on Starfighter. And so it goes.

For the record, I come it this from the POV of a collector of this composer not as a hardcore audiophile (which I’ve never been).

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

I really do not see the reason to complain on these rereleases.

I have some releases I'm incredbly grateful for, grails for me such as: the complete "Omen II", expanded "Final Conflict", complete "Psycho II", "Psycho III", complete "Jaws 3-D", Prometheus' "Conan The Barbarian" complete rerecording) but I still think that, as great as they are, there's still room for some improvement:

- Omen II film tracks have damaged tracks that I think could be repaired with modern technology.
- Final Conflict is still missing some tracks and at least one alternate that was in the OST album that I'd like complete.
- Psycho II remixed from multitracks sound a bit off to me (piano lower, synths higher) and I'd love if they could revert to the original mixes.
- Psycho III still missing a few seconds (Ruthie's stinger) and overlays (title overlay, note overlay), some tracks have the choral mixed a bit too high (Mom Intro), film version of "Norman To Maureen In Bath" (ommiting the chorus for the first 35 seconds like the album version), and could use a bit of reverb on the film program (too dry) even if not as much as the album (too reverby).
- Jaws 3-D some tracks damaged with flutter/wow maybe could be repaired.
- Conan The Barbarian - I'd love the Prometheus rerecording remixed with less compression.

If any of these are rereleased in the future with some of these "improvements" I would rebuy them happly.
But for a lot of other scores for which I'm happy with the version I currently have, I do not intend to upgrade even if "improved" versions are released in the future (Craig's Remo Williams is one I did not upgraded from the Intrada release) and I can not see me being anoyed that improved versions are released.

I think re-releases of popular scores on this dwining market for physical media (and with less titles left to be released) help collectors that may have missed some scores to obtain them (I did not had Son Of The Morning Star, Land Before Time, The Eigher Sanction, Field Of Dreams - still waiting for Sleepers by Williams to be rereleased as I passed it at the time) and help the labels to make some money on best sellers to help them release more obscure titles. If they can be improved from previous editions even better for those who really loves the title and prefer to upgrade.


 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2022 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

If Intrada had simply re-stocked the existing, unchanged "The Last Starfighter" next week, I wonder how many they would have sold in the next month? Five? Ten? A few dozen? Any? I've no idea.
But they'll sell a lot more now, and most will probably be sold to previous buyers who have suddenly been made dissatisfied with their current copy because the newer one is said to sound "vastly superior".
This would normally be a welcome boon for lovers of any score. A "vast" improvement due to newly-discovered source material or suchlike... no sensible person could find fault with that. It's a reason to celebrate.
But as I understand it (and correct me if I'm wrong) this is apparently something different – we've been told this new one is "vastly better" because Intrada made a decision they now regret and used a "vastly" inferior-sounding source for the current version, despite the "vastly better" one being available for use at the time.
So it seems to me anyone who loves the score and now feels the need to fork out all over again for the "vastly better" new one has some grounds for a grumble. They've been told their CD is "mushy" and not as good as it could or should have been.
For my part, I don't like the score, never play it and wouldn't want another version of it even for free. So I've no personal preferences in this either way. But I can sympathize with those above who are moaning about it.

 
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