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 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Nostalgia won't get a non score fan to purchase any CD

Precisely true.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Nostalgia won't get a non score fan to purchase any CD of score, most especially one of a cartoon.


If nostalgia moved non score fans, The Ron Jones ST:TNG box would have sold way more, all the limited edition Trek movie scores would have sold out instead of just one title, and "The Brave Little Toaster" would have sold more instead -- as I recall -- being discontinued. That's off the top of my head.


Can we really compare the $150 of the ST box set to a possible $30 for a double cd of Ducktales?
Also for ST TNG there are some individual GNP Crescendo releases, so that played a part too.
I assume many fans would be content with those cds and didn't have to buy the box.

But if a Ducktales cd is released, there is nothing else released previously so as to cut out of the potential sales.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

(double post)

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

No non score fan base is going to move massive amounts of score CD's.

You can nit-pick comments (by the way, that's $10 a CD) but it won't alter reality. We have hundreds upon hundreds of score CD's out there, many with good sized if not large bases and it's score fans that are driving the sales. This is a niche market within a niche base.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Nostalgia won't get a non score fan to purchase any CD of score, most especially one of a cartoon.


If nostalgia moved non score fans, The Ron Jones ST:TNG box would have sold way more, all the limited edition Trek movie scores would have sold out instead of just one title, and "The Brave Little Toaster" would have sold more instead -- as I recall -- being discontinued. That's off the top of my head.


Can we really compare the $150 of the ST box set to a possible $30 for a double cd of Ducktales?
Also for ST TNG there are some individual GNP Crescendo releases, so that played a part too.
I assume many fans would be content with those cds and didn't have to buy the box.

But if a Ducktales cd is released, there is nothing else released previously so as to cut out of the potential sales.


We know a lot of Star Trek fans have no interest in the music. So how well do children soundtracks sell in general? Intrada had trouble moving their first Tinker Bell score but obviously something changed since then. I don't believe A Troll In Central Park sold that well either. But I think focusing sales at FSM is the wrong demographic. (other than a few of us animation score fans) If Mom saw the Duck Tales characters on a CD cover, there's a better chance they will buy it for their kids. (If they are into music)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

How well do the Disney Legacy cds sell?
I believe a Ducktales cd would sell as much as those..

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

How well do the Disney Legacy cds sell?
I believe a Ducktales cd would sell as much as those..


KonstantinosZ, I seriously don't mean to be rude, but if you think there is as much interest in the underscore for a television series popular with kids in the late eighties as there is for song-driven soundtracks from acknowledged family classics like "The Little Mermaid" and "The Lion King," then there is no convincing you of anything.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

No non score fan base is going to move massive amounts of score CD's.

Once again, 100% correct. We see it time and time again.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Would they be strong sellers? I'm not sure they would.

Aw, do we have to start *that* again?


Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it...

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Speaking of coming back, I see news today "Danger Mouse" and "Inspector Gadget" are coming back (though IG looks like some poor quality video game from over ten years ago -- only a few steps above the awful 2012 "Foodfight!" film).

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   kenisu3000   (Member)

Meh, I don't see why DuckTales shouldn't at least be given a chance. The "niche/obscure" argument doesn't make sense to me when I lost count ages ago how many announcements Intrada makes for obscure titles, or ones I at least have never heard of. Why not just ONE DuckTales disc to see how it sells, and go from there? Why can't it be given even that chance?

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Meh, I don't see why DuckTales shouldn't at least be given a chance. The "niche/obscure" argument doesn't make sense to me when I lost count ages ago how many announcements Intrada makes for obscure titles, or ones I at least have never heard of. Why not just ONE DuckTales disc to see how it sells, and go from there? Why can't it be given even that chance?

Of course it can be given a chance! I and a few others were only responding to the posts that suggested nostalgia would make this an automatic big seller, and sell as well as discs like "The Lion King."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Speaking of coming back, I see news today "Danger Mouse" and "Inspector Gadget" are coming back (though IG looks like some poor quality video game from over ten years ago -- only a few steps above the awful 2012 "Foodfight!" film).

Considering the original was from DIC, in animation terms almost anything would be an improvement. (Though in fairness, Danger Mouse wasn't much better in that respect - but in both cases the writing and voice work made up for it.)

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2015 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Speaking of coming back, I see news today "Danger Mouse" and "Inspector Gadget" are coming back (though IG looks like some poor quality video game from over ten years ago -- only a few steps above the awful 2012 "Foodfight!" film).

Considering the original was from DIC, in animation terms almost anything would be an improvement. (Though in fairness, Danger Mouse wasn't much better in that respect - but in both cases the writing and voice work made up for it.)


IG was one of the better animated series on television at that time. Filmmation and Hanna Barbera stuff were awfully drawn and animated. Disney 80's animation was more fluid and expressive than the rest.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2015 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

How well do the Disney Legacy cds sell?
I believe a Ducktales cd would sell as much as those..


KonstantinosZ, I seriously don't mean to be rude, but if you think there is as much interest in the underscore for a television series popular with kids in the late eighties as there is for song-driven soundtracks from acknowledged family classics like "The Little Mermaid" and "The Lion King


... for which there are already other releases (the original albums), and only the hard-core fans will be interested in the complete scores, thus decreasing substantially the amount of people that will buy the legacy editions comparing to a cd (Ducktales), that there isn't ANY release at all!

So in the end, yes, I believe the amount of people that would be interested in Ducktales is the same with those that would be interested in expanded/complete releases of previous released osts.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2015 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Big releases like these Disney Legacy titles keep getting re-released precisely because they are big sellers, and will be again. Not on the same scale as the original releases probably when the movies were new, but I would guess exponentially more than a Duck Tales would sell.

But I doubt this is even a necessary comparison. The fact is that the soundtrack niche has grown so broad and diverse (even though it's a very small niche in the overall scheme of things) that just about anything seems to be possible, and Disney more possible than most.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2015 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Agreed. A comparison to the Disney Legacys or any other "mainstream" release is irrelevant to how the niche market would, and could, support a series of Duck Tales CDs. The amazing specialty releases of the last several years is obvious proof of that.

It seems there's more reason to be optimistic than anything else. And than ever before, I should think. smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2015 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   kenisu3000   (Member)

So, guess what we found out the other day: Apparently not even the surviving original voice cast is going to be in the 2017 series. Disney is going to be giving the cast a complete overhaul.

http://dafradio.net/2015/03/24/is-the-ducktales-cast-returning/#more-4702

I would have to imagine this is also bad news for us fans of the '80s score: If the voice cast, which would be very important even to the casual fan, is being fully replaced, I can only imagine Disney is not going to bother even considering Ron Jones for the score. Come to think of it, it's even doubtful they'd splurge for an orchestra this time around.

And since I'm typing out such depressing thoughts, I may as well include something my friend said to me the other day. We were discussing how it might be possible, when the 2017 premiere hits, that Disney might reissue some of their old DuckTales products, and possibly finally release Volume 4 of the DVDs. I of course tossed in my hopes that this might also mean they'd release a disc or two of the music. My friend immediately shut me down, saying he seriously doubted they'd consider a 30-year old soundtrack. Now, is he in the industry and knows how it works? No. Does he have inside knowledge on the DT score? No. Is he even a film/TV score enthusiast? By all accounts, no.

But man, it still hurts like hell any time even the most reasonable realist squashes my hopes and dreams. Ye cats is it painful to be a fan of TV scores.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2015 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

If the voice cast, which would be very important even to the casual fan, is being fully replaced, I can only imagine Disney is not going to bother even considering Ron Jones for the score. Come to think of it, it's even doubtful they'd splurge for an orchestra this time around.

These things are completely unrelated.

No matter what your emotional attachment to the show is, no matter how sophisticated or unsophisticated it may have been (I've never seen it, and I'm not judging), "Duck Tales" will always be a kids show. This new version is going to be for kids, just as the earlier one was. And so Disney is not concerned about voice continuity, because the vast majority of their audience has never seen the original. It is a creative and business decision that makes sense – don't get bogged down in what it was, make it what it is.

What any of this has to do with the completely separate idea of a soundtrack album, I have no idea. The two things are unconnected.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2015 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Schiffy is right. This news reflects casting, nothing more. Not an orchestra (which I'd be surprised to see in any event), not Ron Jones and certainly not a soundtrack release of the original series.

 
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