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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4      General Discussion: Red Sonja Perserverance    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2 3 4    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Nov 19, 2010 - 6:08 AM     By:   LeHah   (Member) I've been playing this one pretty regularly. Great, fun stuff!    Posted:   Nov 19, 2010 - 6:21 PM     By:   Tester   (Member) Received mine today. Sounds like the Varese CD so no complaints about that, and the liner notes are ok. Unfortunately Perseverance follows again the low quality bootleg standards for the artwork and the general design of the booklet: Visible blurriness / jpeg compression, amateur compositions, bad image cutouts and use of an innapropiate font. They really need to hire a good graphic designer rather than entrust the job to the 10 years old son of their neighbor.    Posted:   Nov 20, 2010 - 12:26 AM     By:   The Cat   (Member) Do you mean it literally? Did EM reuse some music for the other score or do you mean it sounds very similar at times? No, the style is very similar and structurally the two main marches are very much alike - however, there are no Hundra cues put in the Red Sonja score.    Posted:   Nov 20, 2010 - 9:02 PM     By:   gmontag451   (Member) Recently I've been listening to my iTunes rip of the Varese Club edition, and I've noticed a bit of crackling in "Suite I" at around 2:40 and 6:40. Actually there seems to be a lot of weird random fuzziness throughout. Either it's a bad rip, a bad CD, or the fuzz is in the original recording. The CD's packed away in a storage unit, so I can't check it easily. Has anyone else has this issue, either with the Varese or Perseverance albums? If it's on the Perseverance album this would be during the Main Titles at about :40, and the End Credits at about 2:16. Thanks. Michael    Posted:   Nov 20, 2010 - 9:37 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) Well, instead of making an iTunes rip, a better way is to use EAC or some other program that will allow you to use AccurateRip.    Posted:   Nov 20, 2010 - 9:40 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Learn to spell.    Posted:   Nov 21, 2010 - 11:59 AM     By:   Hercule Platini   (Member) Do you mean it literally? Did EM reuse some music for the other score or do you mean it sounds very similar at times? No, the style is very similar and structurally the two main marches are very much alike - however, there are no Hundra cues put in the Red Sonja score. I always thought there were. However, my error, and I withdraw the comment.    Posted:   Nov 21, 2010 - 5:29 PM     By:   niente   (Member) Recently I've been listening to my iTunes rip of the Varese Club edition, and I've noticed a bit of crackling in "Suite I" at around 2:40 and 6:40. Actually there seems to be a lot of weird random fuzziness throughout. Either it's a bad rip, a bad CD, or the fuzz is in the original recording. The CD's packed away in a storage unit, so I can't check it easily. Has anyone else has this issue, either with the Varese or Perseverance albums? If it's on the Perseverance album this would be during the Main Titles at about :40, and the End Credits at about 2:16. Thanks. Michael Yes, the fuzz is on the original. Haven't heard the Perseverance version yet but if it's a rip of the Varese it will be there, as well. This was NOT a fault of Varese but inherent in the original recording. My guess is that it is on the master but not on the multi-track original - but I seriously doubt that any multi-tracks still survive. Morricone had many wonderful recording engineers but the record companies in Italy had lousy mastering engineers (at CAM, etc...). I was present at two sessions of Morricone's music at his studio in Rome and the playback sound was simply incredible. By the time it reached the recorded medium (LP, CD) it had degraded terribly. The sound was hardly recognizable.    Posted:   Nov 21, 2010 - 5:52 PM     By:   gmontag451   (Member) Yes, the fuzz is on the original. Haven't heard the Perseverance version yet but if it's a rip of the Varese it will be there, as well. This was NOT a fault of Varese but inherent in the original recording. My guess is that it is on the master but not on the multi-track original - but I seriously doubt that any multi-tracks still survive. Morricone had many wonderful recording engineers but the record companies in Italy had lousy mastering engineers (at CAM, etc...). I was present at two sessions of Morricone's music at his studio in Rome and the playback sound was simply incredible. By the time it reached the recorded medium (LP, CD) it had degraded terribly. The sound was hardly recognizable. Thank you for the confirmation, now I don't have to go looking through boxes! Not sure how I never noticed the fuzz before. Such a shame the multitrack tapes are lost, but maybe someday they'll turn up. Stranger things have happened... Michael    Posted:   Nov 21, 2010 - 6:16 PM     By:   niente   (Member) Thank you for the confirmation, now I don't have to go looking through boxes! Not sure how I never noticed the fuzz before. Such a shame the multitrack tapes are lost, but maybe someday they'll turn up. Stranger things have happened... Michael Don't mean to be a downer but those multi-tracks are looooooong gone. For most of the older - and even newer - Italian soundtrack music no multi-tracks exist any longer. Only two-track masters are kept. I had always hoped that the multi-tracks for NOVECENTO would be uncovered since the two-track stereo master was so poorly done but I'll go to my grave without a serious remaster of that seminal score. Italian record companies rarely store that kind of material. The mastering engineers never realized just how important their work was to be.    Posted:   Nov 24, 2010 - 4:01 PM     By:   Loren   (Member) I have been listening to Perseverance Red Sonja. Really beautiful release. It also helped me to rebuild the tracks listing in the two Varese Sarabande Suites. Please somebody checks If I am mistaken: Symphonic Suite - Part I: Vanna's Death 2:00 Main Title 2:22 End Credits 3:42 Fighting The Soldiers 3:36 The Chamber Of Lights 2:02 Prologue 1:24 Sonja Teaches Tam 1:33 Symphonic Suite - Part II: Sorcery 0:46 Temple Raid 1:39 Touch It 1:03 A Fair Fight 1:50 Treasure In The Cavern 2:07 Sonja Vs. Brytag 1:14 The Gate Of Brytag 1:47 The Talisman 3:15 Entering The Castle 2:12 Sonja And The Sword Master 1:49 Kalidor and Sonja 1:43 (sic! in the fortytwotradingco page, "Sonja and Kalidor" on the CD back cover) Sonja Defeats The Queen 1:36 Robin writes on page 15 of liner notes that "Careful listeners may even note that this release offers slightly more music than Varese's CD - it's up to you to find out what we added". Well listened to both release one after the other and I couldn't find it out. Could you tell us where it is? And now for a break with Nic Raine's Conan!    Posted:   Dec 2, 2010 - 1:24 PM     By:   Lokutus   (Member) What about that abrupt ends of tracks 7 and 15?    Posted:   Dec 4, 2010 - 3:23 PM     By:   danbeck   (Member) In fact there's two additional minutes in this release - an exact repeat of the track "Entering the Castle". It seems that, by some editing mistake, that track was left at the end of track 03 "The Talisman" (which should be a one minute track), and then exact the same track is repeated at its proper place as "Entering the Castle".    Posted:   Dec 4, 2010 - 9:11 PM     By:   gmontag451   (Member) What about that abrupt ends of tracks 7 and 15? The abrupt edits are unfortunately in the original Varese Club suites. Michael    Posted:   Dec 5, 2010 - 3:40 PM     By:   Loren   (Member) Ok Robin. Following what I have just posted about the Conan releases, this is my visual rating of all the Red Sonja releases: Excellent Very Good Good Fair Poor awful    Posted:   Dec 5, 2010 - 4:05 PM     By:   Marcato   (Member) In fact there's two additional minutes in this release - an exact repeat of the track "Entering the Castle". It seems that, by some editing mistake, that track was left at the end of track 03 "The Talisman" (which should be a one minute track), and then exact the same track is repeated at its proper place as "Entering the Castle". Was that the extra music that was added ? If not what was the extra music?    Posted:   Dec 5, 2010 - 5:57 PM     By:   danbeck   (Member) Was that the extra music that was added ? If not what was the extra music? "Entering The Castle" is the track that was reported as the additional track 'previously unreleased' at Perseverance's site. But in fact it was already inclued in the LP/Varese Versions... In the Perseverance release it is, in fact, repeated twice. One at the end of The Talisman (possibly a mistake) and the other as a separate track. Therefore, as mentioned before, no additional music in this release.    Posted:   Dec 6, 2010 - 3:50 AM     By:   Loren   (Member) danbeck: Therefore, as mentioned before, no additional music in this release. if the LP was the only source, what you say should be the only possible option. Maybe some seconds of music are duplicated when cutting the symphonic suites in many tracks but I didn't noticed anything really different from past editions.    Posted:   Dec 6, 2010 - 5:18 AM     By:   Spymaster   (Member) In the Perseverance release it is, in fact, repeated twice. One at the end of The Talisman (possibly a mistake) and the other as a separate track. Therefore, as mentioned before, no additional music in this release. Ouch. Sounds like a repeat of the old Robocop/Varese mistake where "Robo Tips His Hat" was on twice. Another reason to just stick with the Varese Red Sonja IMHO. With Rain Man and now this, Perseverance really needs to raise their game again!    Posted:   Dec 6, 2010 - 5:29 AM     By:   Marcato   (Member) i offer myself to help Preservance with their next release - i would love checking theit nex release for mistakes that they can fix before it's going to the press. They can write me here 224@sol.dk     General Discussion: Red Sonja Perserverance    << < 1 2 3 4  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3 4   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4

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