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 Posted:   Dec 2, 2018 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Dracula is one of those rare instances where it’s pretty clear that they temped the movie with Kilar music and he was able to surpass and unify the new music that he wrote for it. I remember seeing a quote from Elfman saying how madly he wanted the Dracula job and then he heard what Kilar did and was like “daaammmnn.” Kilar was just the right guy at the right time on the perfect film for him.

If you want music that sounds like it’s from Transylvania you needed to go to a dark corner of Eastern Europe. And that’s what Coppola did. You have to remember this was only a couple years after the end of the Soviet Union and before the internet. Who knows how FFC found Kilar but I’m glad he did. Especially considering that apparently Kilar was sick at the time, a heart attack I believe.

It remains the high point of his commercial career. He was proud of the music he wrote for Dracula and not only because it was great, but because it was his music that he got to write, inasmuch it was representative of who he was as a composer.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2018 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

THREE cds?

WTFIGO?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2018 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

If you want music that sounds like it’s from Transylvania you needed to go to a dark corner of Eastern Europe. And that’s what Coppola did.

Poland, which has certainly experienced much darkness, is actually the very epitome of Central (rather than Eastern) Europe. Its territory has been endlessly contested between Russia and Germany, with painful results. Still, I take your point: Coppola was wise to think outside the box, and Kilar provided exactly the right tone.

As for Transylvania, it really is described in the novel and film as a frontier between European and Turkish civilization. The land actually lies in present-day (as well as historic) Romania. Any well-known modern composers from Romania? I see that Vladimir Cosma was born in Bucharest (which, however, is not in the Transylvanian region).

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2018 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Dracula is one of those rare instances where it’s pretty clear that they temped the movie with Kilar music and he was able to surpass and unify the new music that he wrote for it.


Indeed, there are some concert works by Kilar that sound like they must have been used as a temp track (and served as a template) for BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA. For example, the short "Victoria" (1983) sounds as if Coppola heard it somewhere and thought: that's the music I want for Dracula!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2018 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

If you want music that sounds like it’s from Transylvania you needed to go to a dark corner of Eastern Europe. And that’s what Coppola did.

Poland, which has certainly experienced much darkness, is actually the very epitome of Central (rather than Eastern) Europe. Its territory has been endlessly contested between Russia and Germany, with painful results. Still, I take your point: Coppola was wise to think outside the box, and Kilar provided exactly the right tone.

As for Transylvania, it really is described in the novel and film as a frontier between European and Turkish civilization. The land actually lies in present-day (as well as historic) Romania. Any well-known modern composers from Romania? I see that Vladimir Cosma was born in Bucharest (which, however, is not in the Transylvanian region).


Wow. Thanks for the geography lesson.

Kilar was born in Lviv (present day Ukraine) directly north of Romania. Katowice, where he spent most of his life, can be seen at the beginning of Tony Palmer's documentary about Gorecki writing his Third Symphony:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLt9aSWkMRk

Pretty dismal place, largely cut off from the West thanks to the Soviets.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2018 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Gorbadoc   (Member)

Indeed, there are some concert works by Kilar that sound like they must have been used as a temp track (and served as a template) for BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA. For example, the short "Victoria" (1983) sounds as if Coppola heard it somewhere and thought: that's the music I want for Dracula!

Very nice observation! The similarities are indeed unmistakable:


 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2018 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

"Any well-known modern composers from Romania?"

Though not modern, Enescu is the biggest one I can think of, and film score fans would definitely find sustenance in his oceanic symphonic poem Vox Maris. The orchestral writing in his opera Oedipe also might appeal.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2018 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Enescu is one of my favorite composers for the concert hall, and the only child prodigy composer in history on the level of Korngold, with a fully developed musical voice from an extremely young age.

Would have been super cool if he'd dabbled in film music, but he did give us a lot of great stuff anyway. And his opera Oedipe is pretty darn cool.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2018 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Indeed, there are some concert works by Kilar that sound like they must have been used as a temp track (and served as a template) for BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA. For example, the short "Victoria" (1983) sounds as if Coppola heard it somewhere and thought: that's the music I want for Dracula!

Very nice observation! The similarities are indeed unmistakable:



There's a lot more. How can you listen to this and not think of Dracula:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxo2ovvfKCI

Or the chanting talking choir that appears in the Dracula track clearly comes from his concert work ANGELUS for choir and orchestra from 1984:
https://youtu.be/N3z5Z8bKpjA?t=93

Dracula chanting (The Beginning)
https://youtu.be/O-QApqSeqjk?t=186

In fact a large part of this music, all pre-dracula, for presumably Polish films long forgotten sounds a lot like Dracula. He was just the absolute perfect choice to write music for this movie:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/a-collection-of-his-work-wajda-zanussi-kieslowski/508461921

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2018 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

The trailer music is all from Kilar's previous work, something NO ONE TOLD ME for like 20 years.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2018 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Has DRACULA started shipping today?

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2018 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

Has DRACULA started shipping today?

I hope so. Ordered this and Harry Potter and Potter has begun shipping yesterday to people who only ordered Potter.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2018 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG! Just got my shipping notice, yay!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2018 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

Hmm...me too. Was it not supposed to be delayed or something?

Karol

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2018 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Lewis&Clark   (Member)

Dang right! I feel cheated now! I want to wait longer!

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2018 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Hmm...me too. Was it not supposed to be delayed or something?

Karol


For some bizarre reason 100 units arrived late yesterday. Hopefully the rest will show Monday

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2018 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

Hmm...me too. Was it not supposed to be delayed or something?

Karol


For some bizarre reason 100 units arrived late yesterday. Hopefully the rest will show Monday


Fantastic news (at least for myself and 99 others). Hopefully the remaining units will turn up so that others can get them as well. It's a really fantastic batch and you should be proud. smile

Karol

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Has anyone else order shipped ?After the first 100 copies that came in first. Also, those who got their sets first - please feel free to discuss ....how is it ?

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   MKRUltra   (Member)

Mine still hasn't shipped either.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

Still waiting for mine here in the UK.

...The Harry Potter set as well frown

 
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