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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 1:51 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

There's still a lot of interesting stuff about music in there, as pointed out before. Getting angry about things isn't good for the blood pressure, and there are ways to avoid it. My mother-in-law makes some tremendously irritating comments about the world when we visit her on Sundays, but I don't sweat it any more.

If "Music, Race and Gender in Star Trek" makes your blood boil, just imagine that it was written by your lovely sweet sister/ daughter. You'd be going, "Hey honey, do you really believe all this shit?" and then you'd have a big hug and a laugh.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2019 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

And now for something completely different?

I think it's pretty cool to have your work cited in a dissertation. Given the specific citations to the LLL Trek Collection and "The Music of Star Trek", let me take this opportunity to thank Messrs. Kendall and Bond for everything they have done to bring Trek music to my eyes and ears.


Bond may be having second thoughts after this thread.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

MUSIC, RACE, AND GENDER IN THE ORIGINAL SERIES OF STAR TREK (1966–1969)

"Gender and subversion in Roy Webb's score for The Spiral Staircase"

http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/id/eprint/11812/

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago. So nothing new there, I shrug it off and move on. The angle the author of this thesis has chosen, is perfectly legitimate. It's a way of contextualizing a piece of popular culture that isn't just about the superficial values that film music nerds are so occupied with. It also helps to get funding for the project, or to get it approved. Leave the superficial details to fan literature, and the 'larger picture' to academic texts. I've always found the latter a far more interesting read.

But great find with the list of composer candidates! Very intriguing to see that Williams was considered for this, back when he was one of the most promising composers in the industry.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The Haga Defense
smile

Btw I resemble you calling me " anti- intellectual".
I think I'm just about the only FSMO contributor who regularly reviewed BOOKS!
wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago. So nothing new there, I shrug it off and move on. The angle the author of this thesis has chosen, is perfectly legitimate. It's a way of contextualizing a piece of popular culture that isn't just about the superficial values that film music nerds are so occupied with. It also helps to get funding for the project, or to get it approved. Leave the superficial details to fan literature, and the 'larger picture' to academic texts. I've always found the latter a far more interesting read.
But great find with the list of composer candidates! Very intriguing to see that Williams was considered for this, back when he was one of the most promising composers in the industry.



Good post, Thor. Nicely said.

I really wish the discussion veered back to the music, but I guess that's not likely to happen at this point.
It's a difficult topic that requires a larger than normal proportion of emotional detachment.
The more provocative aspects, I shrug them off as well--I'm old enough to have seen it all before.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I think I'm just about the only FSMO contributor who regularly reviewed BOOKS!


That. Is. Adorable.
wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   LRobHubbard   (Member)

I think I'm just about the only FSMO contributor who regularly reviewed BOOKS!


That. Is. Adorable.
wink


I'd take a look at the byline again on some of those FSM book reviews...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago. So nothing new there, I shrug it off and move on. The angle the author of this thesis has chosen, is perfectly legitimate. It's a way of contextualizing a piece of popular culture that isn't just about the superficial values that film music nerds are so occupied with. It also helps to get funding for the project, or to get it approved. Leave the superficial details to fan literature, and the 'larger picture' to academic texts. I've always found the latter a far more interesting read.

Well said, Thor! As a former academic, I freely acknowledge that the breed has been guilty of much bad writing and trendy "problematizing." But consider this: If today's society is more tolerant of certain "deviant" sexual practices and less guilty of questionable assumptions regarding race and gender, some of the credit is due to the academic writers who have interrogated the prevailing ideas on those subjects.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago. So nothing new there, I shrug it off and move on. The angle the author of this thesis has chosen, is perfectly legitimate. It's a way of contextualizing a piece of popular culture that isn't just about the superficial values that film music nerds are so occupied with. It also helps to get funding for the project, or to get it approved. Leave the superficial details to fan literature, and the 'larger picture' to academic texts. I've always found the latter a far more interesting read.

But great find with the list of composer candidates! Very intriguing to see that Williams was considered for this, back when he was one of the most promising composers in the industry.



How is this the writings of an intellectual? This writer is coo coo for Coco Puffs.

"Chapter Two analyzes the position and presentation of Captain James T. Kirk and the ways in which the series’ scoring framed him as the white, heteronormative, male, American hero."

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The Haga Heteronormative

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago. So nothing new there, I shrug it off and move on. The angle the author of this thesis has chosen, is perfectly legitimate. It's a way of contextualizing a piece of popular culture that isn't just about the superficial values that film music nerds are so occupied with. It also helps to get funding for the project, or to get it approved. Leave the superficial details to fan literature, and the 'larger picture' to academic texts. I've always found the latter a far more interesting read.

Well said, Thor! As a former academic, I freely acknowledge that the breed has been guilty of much bad writing and trendy "problematizing." But consider this: If today's society is more tolerant of certain "deviant" sexual practices and less guilty of questionable assumptions regarding race and gender, some of the credit is due to the academic writers who have interrogated the prevailing ideas on those subjects.


" Some credit"?
You gotsa be jivin' me!

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago. So nothing new there, I shrug it off and move on. The angle the author of this thesis has chosen, is perfectly legitimate. It's a way of contextualizing a piece of popular culture that isn't just about the superficial values that film music nerds are so occupied with. It also helps to get funding for the project, or to get it approved. Leave the superficial details to fan literature, and the 'larger picture' to academic texts. I've always found the latter a far more interesting read.

But great find with the list of composer candidates! Very intriguing to see that Williams was considered for this, back when he was one of the most promising composers in the industry.



How is this the writings of an intellectual? This writer is coo coo for Coco Puffs.

"Chapter Two analyzes the position and presentation of Captain James T. Kirk and the ways in which the series’ scoring framed him as the white, heteronormative, male, American hero."


You're just proving Thor's point. You can disagree or agree with the author's position here and perhaps come up with logical and well thought-out arguments to support your position...but to just dismiss the author as "coo coo" has a distinct anti-intellectual bias.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2019 - 11:22 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Thor be like…



Solium be like…



Wherever shall the twain meet?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2019 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago.


How is this the writings of an intellectual? This writer is coo coo for Coco Puffs.



Q.E.D.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2019 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Anti-intellectualism/academia has been a core component of this forum since I became a member more than 20 years ago. So nothing new there, I shrug it off and move on. The angle the author of this thesis has chosen, is perfectly legitimate. It's a way of contextualizing a piece of popular culture that isn't just about the superficial values that film music nerds are so occupied with. It also helps to get funding for the project, or to get it approved. Leave the superficial details to fan literature, and the 'larger picture' to academic texts. I've always found the latter a far more interesting read.

But great find with the list of composer candidates! Very intriguing to see that Williams was considered for this, back when he was one of the most promising composers in the industry.



How is this the writings of an intellectual? This writer is coo coo for Coco Puffs.

"Chapter Two analyzes the position and presentation of Captain James T. Kirk and the ways in which the series’ scoring framed him as the white, heteronormative, male, American hero."


You're just proving Thor's point. You can disagree or agree with the author's position here and perhaps come up with logical and well thought-out arguments to support your position...but to just dismiss the author as "coo coo" has a distinct anti-intellectual bias.


I can dismiss something absurd outright. I don't need to waste my time with a counter argument. Kinda like arguing with a flat Earther. Why bother? Ive yet to see Thor, "Im not interested in expansions I'll stay with the OST" say anything intellectual on this board, so pot calling the kettle black.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2019 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Thor be like…

Solium be like…

Wherever shall the twain meet?


That's not very intellectual.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2019 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I can dismiss something absurd outright. I don't need to waste my time with a counter argument. Kinda like arguing with a flat Earther. Why bother? Ive yet to see Thor, "Im not interested in expansions I'll stay with the OST" say anything intellectual on this board, so pot calling the kettle black.

Why would I waste academic brain cells on a board that is so anti-academic? It would be intellectual harakiri! big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2019 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I can dismiss something absurd outright. I don't need to waste my time with a counter argument. Kinda like arguing with a flat Earther. Why bother? Ive yet to see Thor, "Im not interested in expansions I'll stay with the OST" say anything intellectual on this board, so pot calling the kettle black.

Why would I waste academic brain cells on a board that is so anti-academic? It would be intellectual harakiri! big grin


Whats that saying? If you can't beat them, join them? cool

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2019 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

An. Intellectual is.not always an academic but....

 
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